Sven Slootweg (soft-deprecated) @joepie91@pixie.town

@hrefna@hachyderm.io Frankly: fuck off with your "not in keeping with FOSS philosophies" bullshit. I am *intimately* familiar with FOSS culture, and how over the past years, corporate invasion has wrecked pretty much any chance of it doing good.

This was a heads-up for good-faith followers on Hachyderm, *not* an invitation for debate, and you are not getting one from me either.

*Certainly* don't try to use FOSS as a pawn in corporate apologism or, worse, implying that ensuring community safety is somehow incompatible with FOSS philosophies.

This is precisely the attitude that is responsible for the widespread toxicity and abuse in the FOSS community, and I have zero remaining patience for it.

@ben Yeah they seem to have been using the kiwifarms scraper thing to mass-mail all instances that defederated them

@smhoekstra The framing may not have been *intended*, but it was certainly there. I never said anything about communism, there was no reason to bring it into the conversation.

"Anything not capitalist is communist" is propaganda that is meant to dissuade criticism of capitalism, by painting anyone trying to *make* such criticism as an "undesirable" or "naive, not to be taken seriously".

I'm just not interested in engaging in any discussion on that premise. I have no reason to believe that anything I say will be taken seriously, and treated in any way other than patronizingly.

If that's not what you meant, then if you can clarify what you *did* mean (and provide a concrete point of disagreement or request of clarification about what I've explained earlier), I'd be happy to reevaluate. But as it stands, this just doesn't look like a discussion that's going to be productive.

@smhoekstra If I'm being completely honest, I don't think a useful further discussion is possible here at all if you immediately frame it as "corporations vs. communism".

That's an extremely simplified "party politics" view that leaves no space for analysis of power dynamics and structural/systemic problems in and of themselves. It steamrolls any deeper understanding.

@f0x I don't think people even read that far, which unfortunately seems to be the predictable consequence of a large amount of "town square"--minded folks coming into fedi who immediately go "instance blocking?? that's really over the top, unacceptable, outrage" without bothering to understand why it's a thing

@Dee I am so, so tired of this widespread sentiment of "we need to make corporations trust the platform and recognize our legitimacy"

And like, no? Just don't? Why on earth would you need the recognition of a bunch of shitty organizations that are destroying society and the planet at large? Who does this serve?

@jwildeboer @libreoffice@fosstodon.org Fucking hell. Them too?

@smhoekstra I'd argue that the problem is fundamental to companies of *any* size - just, like in any hierarchy, the ones lower in the hierarchy are not *yet* at a point where they can actually exert their power. But they are certainly vying for it, and it doesn't mean that they can't do a lesser amount of damage in the meantime.

Every big company started as a small company at some point. The problem is structural to the concept of a company itself.

@stragu Gee that sure sounds very, what's the word, centrist