I almost can't believe I need to repeat this, but: the "nice" companies are the *most dangerous* ones.

@joepie91
Ouch, that’s very pessimistic Sven.
I’m convinced most problems are caused by insufficient regulation (environmental, humanitarian, etc), by companies circumventing regulation (by lobbying/bribes) and by the unregulated marketing of unethical products.
I don’t believe in communism, I don’t believe that we live in a true capitalist society and I think we can and should do better.
I’m interested in your view on how the system could be improved, changed or replaced.

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@smhoekstra If I'm being completely honest, I don't think a useful further discussion is possible here at all if you immediately frame it as "corporations vs. communism".

That's an extremely simplified "party politics" view that leaves no space for analysis of power dynamics and structural/systemic problems in and of themselves. It steamrolls any deeper understanding.

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@joepie91
Sven, no framing was intended. Only clarification on my own views.
From your response I couldn’t distill what path to improvement you think is possible, so I elaborated on my views and honestly asked for yours.

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@smhoekstra The framing may not have been *intended*, but it was certainly there. I never said anything about communism, there was no reason to bring it into the conversation.

"Anything not capitalist is communist" is propaganda that is meant to dissuade criticism of capitalism, by painting anyone trying to *make* such criticism as an "undesirable" or "naive, not to be taken seriously".

I'm just not interested in engaging in any discussion on that premise. I have no reason to believe that anything I say will be taken seriously, and treated in any way other than patronizingly.

If that's not what you meant, then if you can clarify what you *did* mean (and provide a concrete point of disagreement or request of clarification about what I've explained earlier), I'd be happy to reevaluate. But as it stands, this just doesn't look like a discussion that's going to be productive.

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