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re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@jtolio@hachyderm.io You're not *just* in your own bar, though. You're also interacting with other communities (more like a bar crawl), who have very different expectations - and more importantly, very different *backgrounds* and considerably less privilege.

I suspect (but correct me if I'm wrong, @catzilla) that she's not asking you to apologize; but rather that she's asking you to introspect about exactly *why* the response to Hachyderm from other communities is like this.

I *will* admit that you've been considerably more willing to listen than the other reply guys on my post, which is good - but I do also agree that there's a power imbalance that you don't quite seem to understand yet, and that's really important to introspect on more.

meta, hackyderm.io 

hachyderm.io.

Where do I begin?

Description: "We are hackers, [...]"

Rules: "No hacking"?

What is it?

@rgegriff I think a common misconception of mastodon is that because many instances have a central theme, that that is the only content you're allowed to post there, and in my experience that's extremely rare

code snippet I ment to share, using the delightful syncpipe library to support pipelining from userland

@whatanerd Yep. And even just within tech, there are multiple obvious examples:
- Cloudflare can now intercept and spy on half the traffic on the internet because they got popular by being a "nice, nerd-friendly" company
- npm Inc., the notoriously irresponsible and unaccountable steward of the npm registry, now part of Microsoft, gained their power over the ecosystem by being a "nice, community-oriented" company
- GitHub, which made the entire FOSS world dependent on a completely proprietary and centralized system by being a "nice, FOSS-friendly" company
- Plus all the many other unethical tech companies and startups that have been trying to lure in nerds and FOSS folks with shiny blog posts to convince them they're "one of them"
- ... and, in fact, Tailscale (which is now on Hachyderm) is doing the exact same thing, rapidly embedding its proprietary system into the infrastructure of many FOSS projects by being a "nice company"

@joepie91 This is also why NGOs are able to get away with a lot of the exploitation and abuses they do. The veneer of niceness helps enable it and makes it so much easier to overlook how awful they can be.

I almost can't believe I need to repeat this, but: the "nice" companies are the *most dangerous* ones.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@stonehead It's certainly possible for them to use the tech, it is open after all. But that doesn't mean that they will be accepted as part of the existing community, which is what the defederation part is about.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@untitaker@hachyderm.io These are the consequences of inviting corporations onto your platform, like it or not. I am not interested in a debate about this. This was a heads-up so people have a chance to move before defederation inevitably occurs.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@reto@pleroma.labrat.space Great for you. I don't really care. I am not here to have a discussion about the relative merits of capitalism, and this was a heads-up, not an invitation for debate.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

Can the corporate apologists kindly stop replying to this with some variation of "not all corporations are bad"?

You are not telling me anything I haven't heard a thousand times in my time on this earth, and there is a *reason* I am not considering it as a valid counterargument.

Maybe think about why that is, before assuming that I must just be clueless on the matter.

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re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@untitaker@hachyderm.io You don't "combat corporate capture" by inviting corporations. You do so by keeping them out of your spaces.

A Linux audio driver walks into a bar

Bartender: "what would you like?"

pulseaudio[18814]: No object for name "alsa_output.pci-0000_04_00.1.hdmi-stereo"

Bartender: "I can't hear you?"

pulseaudio[18814]: core-util.c: Failed to connect to system bus: Did not receive a reply

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@kitten I mean, in fairness, you are decidedly not corporation-friendly :p

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@jtolio@hachyderm.io Sure. Like I said, you can make a different choice for your instance's culture, and you are free to do so.

But as stated, the consequence of that will be defederation from many other instances - that is how it's *designed* to work.

And my problem is with the repeated implications that this is somehow an undesirable thing that should be avoided, particularly implying that marginalized folks should be the ones doing the work of avoiding it.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@jtolio@hachyderm.io I am well aware of the historical racism problems on fedi, and they absolutely need to be worked on.

But Black folks are also not a pawn to defend corporate invasion of a community space with. It has no place in this particular conversation.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@jtolio@hachyderm.io Yeah, no, that's not how it works. Many people here (again, the people who have built the place to be a safe refuge) have absolutely no interest in a 'town square', and it is frankly quite privileged and rude to say "the town square is coming anyway" - it's an extremely colonialist attitude, "thanks for building this, it's ours now".

And instances are likely to respond appropriately by defederating from instances and folks who hold that view. Which means you don't have your town square anyway.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@jtolio@hachyderm.io That's precisely *why* we're pushing back on these changes.

re: meta, hachyderm, corporate capture 

@jtolio@hachyderm.io That vibe is very much deliberate. This is a community built by marginalized folks who were basically not welcome anywhere else, and we've made our home here, and there are certain house rules. There is no desire to turn this into a "public town square" or a "Twitter replacement".

See also hughrundle.net/home-invasion/ for more background on that

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