Sven Slootweg @joepie91@pixie.town

@eniko This framing reminds me a lot of https://xkcd.com/1425/, except it being weaponized to sell people bullshit hype... 😐

@hazelnot A variant of this, that works especially for lower 'chore loads', is to not keep a 'todo' list but only a 'done' list, where you track per day what you have done that day, but there's no queue of stuff to do. This mainly helps to fight the sense of "I've done nothing today" (which very often is your brain playing tricks on you and not actually true) by keeping an explicit record of achievements.

This doesn't work as well when many external obligations are placed on you, though, as it will not help you ensure you're not missing anything.

@hazelnot The important part here is that the end of a day's todo list is the point where I no longer have an obligation (to myself *or* others) to do any further chores; I have done my part for today, there is another day tomorrow. In other words, I know where the end of the work queue is, so it doesn't feel perpetual.

@hazelnot @schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social I currently do this in my... planner? ("agenda" in Dutch), where for every day that I'm not intentionally keeping free of chores, I write down something like 4-5 chores that I still need to do.

Then each day I look at the entry for that day, and therefore the todo list for that day, and do those chores in one go (where possible). Once I've done them, I am done with chores for the day, and the rest of the day is free time (modulo work and such). I tick off each task as I go.

If I *don't* manage to do all of them in one day, or I run out of spoons before finishing all of them, then I just take the ones that haven't been ticked off yet, and find another spot in my planner where there's still space, and re-schedule them for that day. That's not a failure to me, just a change of plans.

Normally it's more like maybe 1 or 2 chores a day, the 4-5 right now is because I have a crapton of things to prepare for my transplantation, and so my days are mostly chores for a while. The important part is that the chore selection for a day is a genuine estimate as to what is possible with your executive function, so *not* just cramming in as much as possible. If the
answer is one thing a day, then the answer is one thing a day.

Sometimes I'm feeling particularly motivated and pre-empt some chores from a later day but that's very rare.

For large chores that span more than one day, I break them up into smaller chores that can be completed in like 1-2 hours each, and then schedule those parts individually (on different days, usually).

@hazelnot @schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social For this sort of thing I've found it easier to just read it immediately when I encounter it, instead of filing it away - often the "having to remember to look at this" ends up costing more spoons than just assessing it immediately (and only marking it for later processing if it looks helpful). May not work like that for everyone though.

@CatMaidLeugim@chaos.social Maybe an off-the-wall suggestion, but have you considered looking at a repair cafe? Policies vary widely in different places but AFAIK usually they're open to fixing anything as long as you're willing to be there and learn how to do it (with the guidance from someone more experienced), and they can help you find the parts affordably if any are needed.

I know that there are also some repair cafes where they can do the whole thing for you, but you can usually only find out that sort of thing by asking there in person...

@hazelnot @schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social I mentioned this in more detail in https://social.pixie.town/@joepie91/113425246088814246 but the way I can make todo lists work for me is to reframe their purpose as one of "relieving me from chores" rather than "assigning me chores"

@hazelnot @schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social There are ways to use todo lists to your advantage but those work very differently from the widely-recommended "todo list" concept

@hazelnot @schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social In the neurotypical way, yes, they absolutely do, they (among other things) create a loop of self-punishment for "not having done enough" which negatively affects executive function further, and can create an overwhelming sense of a never-ending list of stuff to do such that you can't even start on a single thing, to just name a couple of the ways in which (monolithic) todo lists (as often suggested) can make things worse for ADHD

@schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social I use day-specific todo lists as a way to have a hard cut-off; once I have completed tasks for the day, I am Done(tm) with chores, even if there's nominally more stuff to do. If I don't get all of them done, they simply get rescheduled onto another day. Prevents me from overexerting my spoons trying to do everything I am "supposed" to do in a single day...

@schratze @gsuberland@chaos.social I mean, todo lists *can* work to some degree.. just not in any way remotely resembling the way neurotypical people suggest using them...