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@gmc It's very much dependent on how you interact with the community. The problem with the current Twitter wave is that it's so large that it's overwhelming everybody, and entirely too many people are not following the very simple rule of "hang around and integrate somewhere for a while before declaring that stuff needs to be changed".

So essentially, by this point the lesser evil is "scaring everybody off", because the alternative is basically our own Eternal September, and the death of what the fediverse was. And yes, that will unfortunately have some overcatch.

If you *do* follow the integration rule, however, and you are respectful of the existing community norms (including the 'weird' ones) even if you don't initially understand why they exist, then you certainly are welcome here.

This place is just fundamentally different from Twitter, and for good reason. It will take time for people to adapt to that, and experience/understand why these norms exist. Some people are not willing to take that time, and that makes them a threat. That's pretty much what it boils down to. If you *are* willing to take that time, there is no issue.

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@polyfloyd @scarnecchia Because unlike something like Matrix (which is fairly point-to-point), fedi is far more community-based. That means that for example, toots from federating instances will make it onto the federated timeline and into the hashtag search, even if they are not directly sent *to* you.

Likewise, federating means that your conversations are accessible to people on the instances you are federating with. When an instance shows disregard for community norms, there's good reason to expect that they will also do so in other ways that don't necessarily involve tooting at users (see eg. the scraping nonsense).

Fedi as we know it today is primarily built and for marginalized and vulnerable folks, and that means that unlike with most platforms, chances are generally not taken with moderation here. It's just not worth the risk.

infosec bros when u scrape a publicly accessible website by a megacorporation: WTF no stop that !!! that's evil and bad and will be bad for enconomy 😡😡😡😤

infosec bros when u scrape a federated social media site primarily used by marginalized people: wtf this is the best idea ever keep it up 👍👍👍

fediblock cryptobros 

#fediblock cryptodon.lol

crypto enthusiasts not wanting to respect the community. Expect nothing good from them.

So if a major company does end up adding support for ActivityPub or other fediverse features I would be very hesitant about actually federating with them. As long as they DO connect to the larger network they'll siphon off the user base, and we KNOW that they will turn on it. Corps cannot make promises, cannot be trustworthy, cannot guarantee they won't betray principles. They are structurally incapable of it, no matter what their humans say.

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A discussion about distributed federated systems else-network did bring up some concerning history that we should keep in mind:

#XMPP was, briefly, the dominant messaging system on the Internet. It was fully federated allowing hosting anywhere. Major extensions were being done by major companies (Apple adding voice and video for example). And it all fell apart because the three big providers (Apple, Google, Facebook) ditched it to have more control.

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A lot of new Twitter folks still seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding that no, this is one place where their wants and needs are *not* at the top of the list, and instead the needs of vulnerable communities are. And I'm growing extremely tired of this entitled refusal to accept that.

Every single fucking time marginalized folks build something neat, the rest of the world comes rolling in and declares that They Must Now Be Catered To, damn the consequences. And the answer is no.

@scarnecchia And since this is a federated network, you are, of course, free to create an instance that doesn't do CWs for politics/news, or that otherwise doesn't respect the existing culture. But then the consequence of that is that you will very likely be defederated from a significant chunk of the network.

@scarnecchia This is very easily solved by not doing the thing that gets you instance-blocked.

@scarnecchia (Also: "a lot of folks are looking for that Twitter replacement" sounds like not our problem. This place is run by volunteers, and it's frankly absurd to expect them to jump and change their culture just because a bunch of other people want someone else to do the work for them.)

@scarnecchia But what it essentially boils down to: if I had to pick between "maintain the old safe environment for people who aren't welcome anywhere else and who have *built* this place" and "increasing adoption", I would 100% pick the former. We're not here to do free labour for people who cannot respect the needs of those who have actually done the work.

@scarnecchia This toot describes my feelings on this matter better than I currently have the energy to express myself: merveilles.town/@zens/10930667

For techies who want to read the ActivityPub specs 

Years ago I tried to learn ActivityPub. I succeeded, but it was difficult. I wrote this blog post which is a "what I wish I knew before trying to learn ActivityPub" guide. It is basically "how to read the specs in a way that will make them make more sense".

tinysubversions.com/notes/read

Advice for new users, sometimes we tag CWs as "Meta," meaning content about the current controversy of the day on masto.

You may be wondering how you can tell the difference between meta commentary and meta the company, here is a handy way to tell the difference:
No one talks about the company.

To #BIPOC / #POC users of Mastodon (others can boost):

What do you make of CW culture and norms on here?

The people I see being most vocal about it are 99.99% White people which feels like a red flag

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