@ck@chaos.social Not exactly - what I'm trying to convey is that leadership (in the Foundation sense) was interfering with leadership (in the team/subproject sense), ie. the top-down hierarchy was getting in the way of people managing their own domain of responsibility.
It's not that people didn't *want* to align and manage their domain of responsibility, it's that they did not feel safe to do so, due to a variety of issues (Eelco being one of them) that all led back to the board.
@NanoRaptor as an European I always thought that "quiet quitting" meant "do the bare minimum for not getting fired". I was surprised when I realized that American colleagues defined it as "do your job but without enthusiasm", this is what I just called "working"
@delroth I would disagree, but for reasons that I cannot publicly elaborate on
If there ever was a case study in "having a legal structure does not automatically safeguard your project governance", well, the #NixOS situation is probably it.
It's also quite bizarre to see people *already* rewriting history to claim that the project is failing because "it's anarchic and there is no leadership" when the hierarchical side of the project *literally is the root cause of the problem*.
@serapath @freakazoid The core concept is the same, but there are different ways to deal with rebuilds (grafting vs. not), different packaging policies, and so on - just a different community with different conventions and views basically.
Not inherently worse or anything, just different :)
@freakazoid (The broader community definitely is not the problem here, the issue in NixOS governance is highly concentrated in a few people)
@freakazoid There are a number of significant differences in philosophy, is my understanding, and merging two existing communities is something that usually does not go well
A piece of advice regarding #NixOS: You know how it's really difficult to find something similar to replace it with?
That also means that if worst comes to worst, a fork is very likely to happen - because there are going to be many other people *also* looking to replace it.
I would recommend not panicking yet, and instead keeping an eye out for further developments. Even if NixOS dies, that doesn't mean the community does.
@0x17 I would suggest waiting and seeing. Nix being so difficult to replace is likely to work in its favour here - with a fork being very likely.
And I mean "that they know nothing about" very literally - making statements and inferences that are obviously factually incorrect in the first sentence to anyone who has actually been involved in the events.
I am growing increasingly impatient with random people who have never been involved in governance discussions before, suddenly feeling like it's their duty to start relitigating circumstances that they know nothing about. #NixOS
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