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@hazelnot Tangent: personally I've found that Dutch is better at emotional and metaphorical language, whereas English is better at explanatory language.

I therefore can't help but see "Dutch is cringe" in light of the increasing individualism and suppression of emotions in the culture here...

@hazelnot Well, I wouldn't say everyone speaks *good* English. It's true that any one person you speak to in NL is likely to be able to communicate with you in English, but it's going to be pretty stilted outside of the major city centers especially.

It's likely true that younger generations are more likely to grow up speaking English commonly, mainly due to there not really being any Dutch social media left, but that's only really younger generations.

@hazelnot Oh, Marcel Vos' accent isn't even that bad. You should hear the typical Dutch person :)

The reality is that a large chunk of the population just doesn't ever interact with English-language communities unless the subject is the Netherlands (for nationalism reasons), so "Dutch people in English communities" end up being a very narrow demographic that speaks unusually good Dutch.

@hazelnot There's a subset of Dutch people who speak very good English, pretty much indistinguishable from native speakers, yeah - but they're not really the majority. The majority have the typical "stone coal English" accent and weird sentence constructions.

Given the demographic of Dutch people who use YouTube, it's therefore very suspicious when *none* of the commenters have those linguistic tells. There should be at least *some* who speak imperfect English...

@Riedler Personally, my suspicion would be a trollfarm; the comments are not consistent enough for all of them to be clearly repeating the same video's worth of talking points, and they talk about a fairly wide variety of urban planning topics in NL, all of which are relatively obscure.

I think there would be a pretty clear motive; walkable city design has been seeing a surge in popularity lately, and a lot of this is based on past projects and research from the Netherlands, and so it would make a lot of sense for the car industry - with their decades-long documented history of effective propaganda campaigns - to start pushing back against that with misinformation, because it's a threat to their economic dominance (which is kind of the point).

I don't have any more concrete evidence than circumstantial evidence for this, though, but it would be consistent with said industry's existing track record.

@efi @godotengine An open-source developer who knows what happens to maintainers' motivation and joy in their work when people start hounding them across social media with personal demands.

@efi @godotengine The meme was a call for funding - see also the second post.

And no, that is not how any of this works, for *any* open-source project, and is honestly quite rude. Developers do not *owe* you workflow improvements, and it is absolutely important to be constructive and not unnecessarily abrasive, in how you suggest workflow improvements or provide (critical) feedback.

As for the last point: just because the team can do one thing, doesn't mean they can just as easily do another thing, because different tasks aren't interchangeable - and there may well be very good reasons that they picked one thing rather than the other.

TL;DR: being a user of something does *not* entitle you to yelling at people that the thing you're using isn't perfect. If you want things to improve, then provide *constructive* feedback, and do so in the correct place (and for Godot, that is in the issue tracker, according to the site).

@dieweltist @SehrLesbisch@chaos.social Be aware that a lot of medication explicitly should not be put into the fridge either due to either humidity or too low temperatures.

@efi @godotengine I mean, that's your choice to make, just like it's generally anybody's choice what projects they feel are worth keeping alive. Even if I have my opinions about that, that's not what I'm criticizing here.

I just find it... kind of inappropriate to respond to a call for funding, to keep the project alive, with what's almost a demand to do something in a very specific way. It's already hard enough to keep *any* open-source project funded, and it's really not helpful to be posting spiky comments in response, *especially* not if the thing you are demanding would require more funding than you are likely to give them.

This would be different if Godot were committing some grievous offense, something that actively harms people, because being open-source doesn't exempt one from criticism. But come on, this is a disagreement about the contribution workflow.

@efi @godotengine ... because funding is not docs editing? How contributions are handled vs. how the bills are paid by people maintaining the engine are two entirely separate subjects.

@efi @godotengine How is that related to a request for funding?

@efi @godotengine This seems like kind of a weird comment to make here?