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Lots of people in the Nix project: I would really like eelco to stop just doing things without discussing them with other members of the community

eelco: hold my beer

It certainly feels like a lot of things around the situation that were set in motion some time ago, are starting to resolve themselves

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@stib That is often the intention of the question; but the problem is that if you answer it as stated, you will end up arguing over "who really made" it rather than over "what people could feasibly do", and that is an impossible discussion because the historical documentation is usually either missing or inaccurate

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"But how would we have <some technology> if not for capitalism?" is a misquestion, and you should not attempt to answer it. It is not relevant and will detract from the point.

We already have that technology. Abolishing capitalism does not require reinventing it. It can simply be used as-is, if it is needed. That problem is solved, and there is no moral imperative that says we should stop using it if we abolish capitalism.

What actually matters is whether a non-capitalist society could provide for people's needs going forward, and continue to improve itself over time, and *that* is the question to be answering. You don't measure that by considering work that has already been done.

i've had this little sarcastic banner at the bottom of my nextcloud instance forever and i keep updating the line count each time i do a major upgrade

everyone i have figured it out, cats just have unchecked integer operations

@Sarosa@fedia.social @mynameistillian Ah, I see that you've found a new community to harass. I'm guessing that the NixOS folks started spotting your alts too quickly?

@picnoir This is an especially interesting development given that a certain member of DetSys has in the past expressed concern about Tweag trying to co-opt the Nix project

> The assertion that Determinate Systems “owns” Nix or seeks to exert outsized influence over the project, the community, or the foundation is patently false: I am the only member of the Nix team who works for Determinate Systems.

Posted on the Detsys website, later pointing to the Detsys CoC and Detsys-controlled Discord.

The guy did not even posted that on a community-owned medium and went full corporate.

🤦

I mostly gave Eelco, Graham and Detsys the benefit of the doubt so far.

I was wrong. Not being an insider, looking how they communicate, it really seems like they are definitely trying to fork the community project and release something on their own…

nixos, subtoot 

That having been said, I am cautiously optimistic about how many people deciding to leave are still open to returning to a hypothetical better community if it were to come into existence. This might end with a bit less collateral damage than usual for these sorts of conflicts.

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nixos, subtoot 

"All the people opposing weapons manufacturers must be from the US" is one of the more hilariously absurd takes that nevertheless seems to keep coming back.

@sindarina @aadbrinkman @joenepraat Ligt er wel aan of dat geconfigureerd is, het lijkt stuk te zijn op een hoop instances

@anselmschueler It depends a lot on the specific sub-crisis that you're asking about; there's not really any central documentation of the issues with eelco that I know of (besides the letter), but for eg. the moderation issues, the discussions in RFC98 are a pretty good first insight in how long this crap has been going on for

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@not-leader@pleroma.envs.net @hllizi They're related indirectly; both have a causal link to fundamental governance issues, but they are still separate issues.

(I'm fine with people asking questions btw, it's mostly the "barreling ahead with loud opinions with no insight" that's been bothering me.)

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@hllizi Nope, it's about the moderation/governance shitshow

venting 

Like, I'm fine with people newly getting involved in the conversation, but when it's so clear that this is a long-running situation, do your fucking homework first before commenting the same tired takes we've heard a hundred times before

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Lot of "I don't really understand what this is about but I'm going to insert my opinion anyway" going around in land lately

I think people working for companies like Anduril or Palantir deserve to be shunned and pushed out of any communal space on tech. These are people who willingly choose to work making the killing of other people more efficient and easy. I'm ok, happy even, with them not feeling welcome in FOSS.

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