Sven Slootweg (soft-deprecated) @joepie91@pixie.town

@cgranade Oh, absolutely. My comment was more meant to underline that frustration, rather than contradict it!

Because it's gonna end up being really obvious that IP never was anything but a control mechanism for the wealthy and powerful.

@thoolooexpress @deviantollam I frankly do not believe that such a culture shift is possible to begin with. Policing is a fundamentally oppressive institution - its outward behaviour isn't some aberration, but rather the logical outcome of how it is structured as a concept.

People often bring up Europe as an example of how things can be better. And while it is true that things are not *as* bad in many places here as in the US, we still fundamentally have the same problems, just at a smaller and less obvious scale, and there's a constant push for making those problems worse from the "law and order" types.

And that kind of gets at the heart of the issue - policing as an institution is a force multiplier. It allows near-absolute power over other people's lives. It will always, inevitably and unsolvably be a juicy target for bad actors to take control over. It will always, *always* trend towards abuse.

@q Presumably there are times at which it does not! Namely, when nobody is there

@thoolooexpress @deviantollam But like, they *already* view every call as a battleground, *including* the non-violent ones

@f0x LEDhouse

@eevee So AIUI, there's kind of important cultural context to this, in that it's a 'digitized' version of an older cultural tradition/pattern (for lack of a better word): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dozens_(game)

I'm still not entirely sure how to feel about that, but it *does* presumably change how people experience this interaction pattern themselves.