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I vaguely recall hearing about when Visa went after Fetlife. My memory is fuzzy and there's some gaps in the story clearly though. I absolutely recall they nuked a bunch of groups to immediately comply with their payment processor's demands, then when forging a more permanent policy on such things, I think they decided "You know what? Screw them, come what may"

But now that I look at them now, they ban those topics so I guess they tripled back on that?

I was saying elsewhere I knew of exactly one site that told payment processors to go heck themselves when told to ban certain content from their site. Turns out that didn't last, or I misremembered.

Anyone have more detail on that entire story?

@rune I would edit my post to fix that, but unfortunately I won't be able to do that until I've GoneToSetup

@joepie91 missed opportunity "GoToSetup the gts instance"

I think I'll *finally* go and set up the GtS instance today that I've been procrastinating on for months now

⚡️lest someone read this in, I’m not saying you specifically *must* persuade them. Nor am I saying that we should tolerate bigotry or treat bigots like special boys who get treats.

No. I’m saying you need to destroy their fundamental views about the world.

If you’ve ever had a moment of revelation where everything you believed in collapsed, you know that’s a *far* more devestating blow than swearing someone out.

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"AI" 

@teo That could very well be part of it, though I suspect another factor is the same one you see with eg. developers using frameworks - the (incorrect) assumption that "work done by someone/something else" is automatically equivalent to "work saved by yourself", when in reality it can generate *more* work than you would have otherwise needed to do, especially if the tool is a bad fit.

self checkouts, re: AI" 

@teo Tangentially, I imagine that depends on the type of self-checkout 😅

⚡️when encountering a bigot, if you are going to try to persuade them, I think it behooves you to ask the question of *why* they are bigots. Don’t assume it’s a lack of information. For casual bigots who obviously just don’t understand I think that works well, but for the committed bigots who yell at us in replies neither education nor beratement cuts it.

Taking out anger on them can be cathartic and it helps those they are attacking feel safer, but it can also reinforce the cycle of self loathing and escalate the conflict. It’s situational of course. Berating someone can be persuasive! If not to them, then to other people.

But legitimately… ask yourself what your core objective is. If it’s persuading *them* then you need to get into their head and break the back of the bigotry itself.

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re: "AI" 

@joepie91 I love layer 8 attacks

"AI" 

It's kind of suspicious how every single study claiming that "AI saves time" is based on self-reported data, isn't it? Especially considering that the whole point of LLMs is to be deceptively effective?

> tell bug bounty program that matching strings is not a secure way to fix an issue, with example that shows that payload A is mitigated but payload B isnt
> they add payload B to their list of strings to match and pay a bounty for that
> ???????
> tell bug bounty program that matching strings is not a secure way to fix an issue, with example that shows that payload B is mitigated but payload C isnt

free money glitch

re: In defense of misunderstanding as a plot device, speculation on a culture not my own 

@joepie91 A lot depends on the details like how likely this misunderstanding/miscommunication is for that world and its characters, and as I've discussed, misunderstanding plots are frequently handled so poorly they turn people off the whole idea. I think that ties back to a misunderstanding, as it were, about misunderstanding on the part of the creators, as something that happens because people are thoughtless or careless and not because of compelling circumstances with a lot of structural issues, as in my examples of Shakespeare and Austen.

re: In defense of misunderstanding as a plot device, speculation on a culture not my own 

@ljwrites Yeah, that sounds right to me.

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