grumbling, uspol, "go offline"
Lot of people responding to the shitshow in the US with "you should start moving offline and communicating with friends IRL" and conveniently ignoring that a huge chunk of marginalized folks do not *have* an offline social life and are actually dependent on a safe way to participate on the internet, and not for lack of trying otherwise
working class people can't think about politics because they're busy working
@serapath @joelving @powersource I'm trying to get you to actually reason through the steps of what that 'crackdown' might look like and what would happen if you refuse to cooperate, rather than just saying "network effect" as some sort of magical incantation with inherent power (which it doesn't have; it needs an enforcement mechanism).
@serapath @joelving @powersource As I have explained several times now, you can keep using the old currency and only use the new currency with those who also accept it, and exchange between the two as needed - money has an interoperability that social networks do not.
You claim that that would be "cracked down upon" and I am still asking you *how* that would happen, because social convention alone does not make that possible.
Social networks have control over user account suspension and their APIs, and can limit interoperability, and that's how they can crack down on gradual transitions. Governments do not have that control over money.
So, how do they do it?
more ranting at white supremacy ...
i'm all kinds of rageful today.
white people who are all "you don't have be so violent and angry" ... how dare you tell me to not be fucking rabidly angry about how you and your ancestors have kept your boots on my neck for decades, centuries. foh. i will be as angry as i want to. don't like it? FIX YOUR SHIT! GET OUT OF MY FACE!
@PastaThief Would something like Drip (https://bloodyhealth.gitlab.io/) not be a safer recommendation because it is entirely local to your phone, and so never goes to any server anywhere to begin with?
(Given that things in Germany aren't going that great either)
@serapath @powersource I really, really am not interested in this discussion.
@serapath @joelving @powersource No, it is not. The network effect only applies for cases where a gradual transition is not viable. This is not one of those, if it works as you describe. So that isn't the answer either.
@serapath @joelving @powersource Again, "buying power" is a social convention that hinges on people accepting 'their' money as legitimate, so that's not the answer.
So *how* are they cracking down? What form of power do they have that cannot be trivially opposed?
@serapath @powersource And to be clear, I have absolutely no intention of following the usual "look at how great Bitcoin is" playbook. I've tried to argue these things with people for literal years, and I am done. It is a waste of your time and mine.
@serapath @powersource I am not going to watch Bitcoin propaganda. I am very well aware of the tendency for enthusiasts to selectively spread around 'success stories' while being suspiciously quiet about the failure stories. I am extremely close to the cryptocurrency world and I know what the true dynamics are.
@serapath @joelving @powersource That is not the correct answer. If that were the answer, nothing would stop people from transitioning, because none of it exists in any way other than through social convention.
So what's the actual way in which capitalists can crack down on alternative currencies?
@serapath @powersource Yes, adoption has shrunk over time. But to be honest I don't think this conversation is going anywhere, you seem far too invested in believing that Bitcoin is doing well.
(And I say this as an early adopter who *to this day* continues to be paid in BTC by a customer, and continuously experiences the frustrations of dealing with it)
As you can probably imagine, this work attracts a whole lot of well-intentioned straight white retired women with money+time on their hands, which…it is what it is, culturally and politically. None of this SHOULD be volunteer work, but the professional social worker I work with has literally dozens of cases. The needs are immediate.
So I will say that if you could use a way to make a child or teenager’s life a little safer and more stable in an increasingly scary time, this is a way to do that.
In the US, most states have programs that assign volunteer advocates to children and youth in the foster care system (CASA and GAL are the acronyms). Anyone with a clean record w/r/t kids can do the training. It’s the weirdest band-aid on a broken system but until we fix the system, it’s also essential work that helps keep kids from falling through some terrible gaps.
@serapath @joelving @powersource There's a reason I brought up exchanging - if what you say is correct, then it should simply be a matter of exchanging to whichever currency you need for a given transaction. Annoying, sure, but doable. It could even be automated.
So. Why isn't that happening? That's the question I'm asking.
And "it gets cracked down on by capitalists" is getting closer to the answer, but it is not the full answer. *HOW* does it get cracked down on? What is ultimately the thing that gives capitalists the power to crack down on this?
(A more proactive/reliable service with specific assurances could also be an option, but that one would not be free)
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