Sven Slootweg (🔜 WHY2025) @joepie91@pixie.town

@freakazoid I'd be fine with a graph database, as long as it has sufficient performance on relational tasks (comparable to something like PostgreSQL), and offers a similar set of guarantees - thinking of things like referential integrity and 'proper' transactions.

Do either of those meet those goals? The performance doesn't need to be exactly like PostgreSQL (as that has been seeing optimization for a long time) but also not so slow that it's only really useful in an academic setting :p

@virtulis Ah yeah, that sounds like my own database project though that is in JS :)

I did run across one other database that does this, recently, but unfortunately it was proprietary.

@tachi I wasn't aware of the existence of FerretDB!

I'm skeptical of anything from the MongoDB lineage, because rather than being a set of concrete bugs, the problem was more the underlying design philosophy (that simply would create more bugs even if old ones are fixed).

I'm seeing that FerretDB is based on PostgreSQL though, which is potentially a reason to reevaluate that skepticism - as that should ensure that at least the core data storage is sound.

Any idea if they've fixed the query injection issues that always haunted MongoDB's syntax?

@virtulis I find SQL to be one of the worst designed languages I have ever worked with, and it makes everything I do several times more complicated than it needs to be, basically.

Kind of surprised to hear that RethinkDB is still around and open-source, to be honest, I thought that'd met an untimely end years ago!

@kims FWIW, the anger is not really directed at folks like you who donate to both - but the orders of magnitude difference in how much money is going to each, show that there *has to be* a significant amount of folks who are donating to the campaign but not to mutual aid. Just nobody knows who they are precisely.

@tthbaltazar@chaos.social From my limited travels in Germany: doesn't that make it *more* of an ICE? 🙃

@nxskok @kissane They were definitely more featureful and accessible than newsgroups; they originated as an attempt by a relatively early Dutch ISP to give people reasons to use the internet, and so quite a bit of work was put into making it broadly accessible (by the standards of back then, anyway).

"Unmonetized Reddit" is probably closer, though the variety of features (also chat etc.) made it feel a lot more 'complete' and less niche than Reddit does, and there were some very big differences in social dynamics that come not just from being unmonetized, but also from just having a fundamentally different model.

Reddit, for example, only *partially* isolates communities; they are still considered "a part of Reddit", with attempts at cross-linking and cross-promotion between subreddits, trying to lock people into their platform, fundamentally broken power dynamics regarding moderation, that sort of stuff. Those things would need to go, too.

@kissane Oh, certainly. From the conversations I've had with folks building them, though, they often work the same way because that is their understanding of how social media Should Work; because they are familiar with the big platforms.

I've sometimes had discussions with people about this, and about how maybe that model isn't great, and then they usually ask "do you have something I can read about how to do it better?" and I just come up empty.

@kissane The frustrating part is that the first "we" and the second "we" are usually different groups of people :/