Sven Slootweg (soft-deprecated) @joepie91@pixie.town

@josh That having been said, there definitely *is* a very skeptical view of journalists among many marginalized folks, due to the industry's long-standing failure to regulate its own misconduct, and the innumerable harm that that has caused to marginalized folks in particular.

That doesn't mean that no journalist is ever welcome on fedi, but as a journalist you do actually need to show that you understand the impact of this, and that you intend to be part of the solution rather than the problem.

That's where journa.host fucked up, despite early warnings from several people about this.

They barged in, repeatedly violating the community norms (see also: quoting people without their consent), and doing their whole "we are journalists and you shall Respect Us, you need us" thing, apparently refusing to accept that... we really don't.

So yes, this certainly could be avoided, had the journa.host folks been more cautious about understanding the community they're wading into, and done their part in keeping bad actors out.

Instead, they chose a power play, and that predictably backfired into their faces. That sort of approach is not appreciated here.

@Dee As part of consulting work (paid and otherwise), I've occasionally had a look at analytics setups and what people were measuring.

Exactly zero of the systems were measuring what people *thought* they were measuring.

This is something I've long been complaining about publicly; your metrics are almost certainly worthless, and will lead you to wrong decisions.

Interview 10 random users and you'll get a much better insight into the state of things than any amount of analytics will give you.

@rra I'd be very concerned about creating systems of power that are easily exploitable -> lead to oppression, which would make things worse.

This sort of large-scale power-building makes sense in situations where you're dealing with a large powerful adversary (government, employer, etc.), but... is that actually what we're dealing with here on fedi?

Or would a loose association of likeminded folks, like we have now, be capable of achieving the same thing but without the risks of power systems? Because that certainly seems preferable.