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@evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev Dunno, I think that's more just a layout/documentation thing; it's actually much clearer with Matrix what you're supposed to be implementing than with the pick-and-mix XEPs of which many stick around in a de-facto-obsolete state, but the single-page format is what makes things miserable.

The new layout does improve on this a bit, at least: spec.matrix.org/v1.2/client-se -- I think more 'modular' writing would go a long way to get the Matrix spec into better shape, even if it's still a monolithic spec.

@evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev (Also I think this is actually the big redeeming quality of XMPP over Matrix - the technical writing in the XEPs is *so much* better and more consistent, on average. All I want is a Matrix spec with XEP-style writing...)

@TatraT815 Yep, pretty much! It's *very* close to e-mail actually, in how it works (though *technically* speaking the protocol part is ActivityPub and Mastodon is just a client)

@Dee In fairness, there's a pretty good chance that the 'bad' posts are precisely what people are here for

@evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev Yeah, I have.... Feelings about the technical writing quality of the Matrix spec

@TatraT815 There's also the "federated timeline" (don't recall if that's displayed automatically!) which will show you the toots from your own instance plus all people followed by other folks on your instance, I believe. It's not a Twitter-style global view (that's difficult-to-impossible to achieve in a federated system like Mastodon), but should hopefully provide some places to explore :)

@evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev Honestly I can't really agree with the 'unnecessary complexity' - bad documentation and API design choices are an obfuscating factor here, but I've found that neither XMPP nor Matrix are meaningfully more technically complex than is actually required for the goals they try to achieve. Keep in mind that feature-wise they compete with WhatsApp and Discord, not with IRC!

@determinerik@climatejustice.social Aan de ene kant wel, maar aan de andere kant zijn er ook best usecases waar mensen Twitter nog niet *kunnen* ontvluchten, bijvoorbeeld mensen die afhankelijk zijn van fundraisers waar ze veel mensen tegelijk mee kunnen bereiken. Dus daar is wel voorzichtigheid geboden.

Admins don't read DMs, and I'm hoping that soon enough that'll be encrypted and I won't be able too.
Mastodon DMs should be considered "restricted messages" visible to people mentioned.

DMs are not that important when snapchat exists for sexts, and signal exists for crimes!

Real chat style DMs similar to Twitter/facebook is coming to the ecosystem soon and will be encrypted and secured from admins... but until then, you need to consider "DMs" in mastodon different than the normal style.

It's more of a direct toot, then a direct message.

and in fact, the #mastodev team really should rename Direct Messages to Direct Toots or restricted because people have mental associations with the word "direct message"... and I get annoyed when I see a DM in my timeline and the back of chat style DMs..

@evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev Isn't that just an argument for its perpetual *coexistence* with other systems, though? Kind of by definition that property means that the protocol won't/shouldn't meaningfully evolve, and so it fills a very specific niche that it makes no sense to develop replacements for, but that also doesn't match what most people are looking to get out of a chat system. So I'd more think of it like "IRC plus something else" rather than "IRC instead of something else".

Rather annoyed at the way "let's not use Twitter" has turned into "but admins can read my DMs!"

We want decentralised indie systems, but refuse to trust anyone but a corporation with a mandatory arbitration clause in the TOS.

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@petrichor @f0x That seems like something to handle on a case-by-case basis then, though? I would expect most poorly-moderated servers to be run from a position of apathy, ie. running a standard server deployment and without deliberately disregarding the flag either. You'd probably find out pretty quickly if a server is ignoring the flag and that causes a problem?

There's a way of viewing an instance's local timeline without logging into it, right? A URL like instance.com/local (it's not that) or whatnot?

#NeedHelp

@JoSuus Dat is precies hoe ik de mensen van de Twitterbubbel bij elkaar gesprokkeld heb 😂

also this is a cold take probably but also worth saying that much as I like the fediverse as an alternative to twitter, its still just a website (or bunch of websites)

coming away from twitter could be as good an opportunity as any to get involved w yr local community and enact change on a smaller but more tangible level

not telling you what to do or suggesting this is realistic or possible for everybody (I'm hardly one to talk lol). but more just kind of throwing it out there that while online spaces and discourse obviously have their place and importance, that importance can be easily inflated, esp at times like this. so just something to be aware of

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accessibility/etiquette
7) in addition to formatting your hashtags, add an image description to your media.

8) we use content warning to hide sensitive topics. we also use them to hide long posts and make question/answer type posts though. you'll notice CW of politics, common phobias and sometimes even fediverse related discussions like this (a lot of it happens) is also common. also different servers will have different rules

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algorithm (there is none)

3) your home timeline is not curated. this means favorite/boost counts of your posts (or the links on them doesn't matter)

4) boosts however carry posts, consider boosting.

5) more importantly consider engaging in meaningful dialogues with people. not fly by comments but engaging in discussions.

6) hashtags are your friend. (use camelCaseToMakeThemScreenReadable for blind users)

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because I have so many new users coming #mastodonTips #mastodon

discovery/discoverability

1) in addition to a bio, consider also making an #introduction / #introduction post also check this tag to find people who are also new and their interests

2) communitywiki.org/trunk is a wonderful place to find people who are active. it is human moderated. if you decide to stick around and have the bandwidth to do so, consider joining a list to welcome others as well.

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