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Assume a chat system that allows you to have multiple accounts, and which also allows you to select a 'presented identity' on a per-message basis (under an otherwise shared account that is identifiable as such).
Does this meet your needs, and if not, what other accommodations are needed to make it a comfortable experience for you?
(Please only answer if you consider yourself plural or have some other reason for presenting as multiple identities. Boosts are welcome from anyone!)
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@joepie91 It does meet my needs, as long as the list of alt identities is not public to my account/friends list/all groupchats i'm in. People should only get to know about my system members (or, for that matter, OCs I roleplay as, because this feature would 100% have this dual purpose) if I explicitly allow them to know.
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@MindmeshLink In the model I am thinking of, that would require the use of multiple accounts (with implementations being expected to support this out of the box); as different alts would otherwise still use the same technical identifier under the hood, and so it would be possible to correlate that together. I don't think that can be (reliably) avoided without separate accounts.
Would that work? Assuming that account creation is not limited (ie. no "unique phone number per account required" stuff or anything like that).
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@joepie91 I think you may have misunderstood (or i'm possibly not understanding you!) It's fine if the system members are visibly related to eachother if you're able to know about them/for them to be visibly linked - i just don't want someone on my friends list to be able to click on my profile and see a list of system members they wouldn't otherwise know about, unless I explicitly give some kind of permission
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@joepie91 see, like, setting a nickname in a Discord server and other ppl only knowing that nickname if they're in that server with me, as a comparison of the kind of privacy I'm talking about
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@MindmeshLink Ah, right, I get what you mean now. I will keep that in mind, though I think that that technical distinction will be very difficult or impossible to make in the model I'm working with (hence why I would probably err on the side of total outward separation, rather than on the side of unintentional correlation).
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@joepie91 That makes sense!!
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@joepie91 personally I would prefer a time/session based system for indicating alter, but other than that, that sounds good. (by session based I basically mean something like, it's assumed it's the previous alter writing unless otherwise specified)
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@ink As there would be a distinction between the protocol level and the clients implementing it, I'm thinking of approaching that like so:
The protocol level allows including the 'speaker' with each message. The client is responsible for sending along that tag, and exposing a sensible mechanism (like 'sessions') to let the user control it.
If no tag is specified, the speaker will be the default/fallback identity for the account, which in a plural setup would be eg. an account representing the system/collective/etc. as a whole.
Would that be sufficient?
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@joepie91 yeah I think so
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@joepie91 for us specifically, who would be using using the presented-identity option, we would like:
1. to be able to present multiple faces in one post, and
2. to be able to select cleanly and fluidly with keyboard alone, no menuing needed, minimal time and effort
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@joepie91 i would prefer it to be one "account" but multiple "personas" if that makes sense. sign in once as a system and then switch front with simply clicking an avatar. it'd be tremendous, quite frankly.
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@PsyChuan @lunarvale @WetDogSquad @river That would be one of the available options, yes; the 'presented identity' or 'speaker' option, in the current model.
I'm also considering some sort of 'associated account' model, where the account is outwardly separate but sign-ins can be associated/chained. That may serve dual purpose for eg. managing bot accounts.
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@joepie91 sounds like a solid addition!
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@joepie91 @PsyChuan @WetDogSquad @river
Honestly, having both would be best. Changable aliases per account and easy account linking together would be the best option.
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@PsyChuan @joepie91
This, exactly. Juggling multiple accounts is a pain in the ass, but being able to switch between avatars, names, and pronouns on a post-by-post basis would be great. We don't know of any systems that would have issues with their shared account name being pinned to their aliased posts, either.
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@joepie91 it would certainly meet our needs. Right now we use pluralkit on discord for a lot of our communication, which is nice since it lets us change our names and pfp's in individual servers if we want. (It also tracks our front history but I feel like that doesn't make sense as a feature in a chat application, as useful as it happens to be for us) -ฯ
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@joepie91 Oh! One thing that would be super useful is if we could have like. Default text formatting on a per-headmate basis. For example, on Discord when using PK my text is Monospace to represent the slightly vocoded tone of my voice. It'd be nice if I could also set it to Small Caps.
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@joepie91 It uh, depends on how exactly the "presented identity" works. I mean uh, we like how Fluffychat does it a lot, where you type a prefix (can be one or several characters) and then a space to quickly switch. But in general, this uhm, sounds useful to us.
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@joepie91 (there's some things we dislike with Fluffychat's multi-account thing, specifically that the maintainer isn't interested in fixing bugs related to it, and uh, marking messages as read by using the quick account switcher broke twice now (the first time it was fixed, but uh, now it's broken again))
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@joepie91 assuming those identities has their own display and, pfp, etc. that would meet my needs.