Forest @forestjohnson@pixie.town

@feliks might just be old, idk

@Oldbooksmell this looks like its from the Kid Vampire universe

@hylst

> i wasnt prepared for how intoxicating it is to use an app i developed on mobile

I feel this all the way to da bones

@rra Just cut all of Amazon's dark fiber and then charge them 10 cents a gigabyte for all traffic that goes to the US. Boom Easy. Taste of their own medicine.

@austin I think it might be a skull to signify that You will be dead if you drink it. It does not provide life.

@karolherbst Well, damn. So progressive is the new liberal?

@stillgreenmoss https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt specializes in this, idk how to participate in the market(s) from outside tho.

@craige forgejo is among the easiest softwares to self-host.

But even then, IMO everyone hosting thier own, which stays on 24/7, its not reasonable.

I do this, but I've been working for almost my entire life to get to this point where I can do it and it's not a burden on me.

I think community hosting is the best, most realistic solution. Basically the same as the fediverse, approx. one admin per 100 users.

So you may not have to host it yourself or go to a centralized alternative like codeberg; The third option is to find a community that suits you and already does this kind of thing.

@nolan To be honest, I have not invested very much in trying to use the LLMs for programming...

But I think if your job was to debug / fix timeout exceptions (which are almost certainly not *real* timeouts) in some million line horrible Java app from 10+ years ago, You would feel a lot more "job security" when it comes to this stuff.

Even if you do create an app using LLMs and its easier and faster to do, It's not going to be any easier, or faster to maintain that app or Figure out why it's not working when it breaks.

@researchfairy thanks for the vote ofconfidence cuz every time I talk about making something that fits this description, all of the hardcore tech people make fun of me for building an "offline first" website

@karlexceed I think NLNet has a good model.

Also, UBI / social safety net helps a lot, i.e, if you don't want to work for a wage you are still allowed to exist.

Unity game engine was started by a bunch of broke college kids in a bed room doing OpenAL fixes on a grant from the danish government.

@mos_8502 @Unlikelylass I think it's more realistic to go bigger than that, like community size

We're already doing this @ cyberia, at least to some extent.

Also, I think it's important to kind of contextualize what this really means in the greater economic environment and society that we're in. Basically, it means that you're taking the technology that's thrown out in the dumpster from behind the large for-profit enterprises and trying to make use of it and make your own community out of it or something.

So naturally, you know, it's not going to be the best. It might not smell great, for example. But is anyone who's ever dumpster dived before knows... There's some great stuff in there.

Great tech experiences that are...
fun and not stressful, or work on the first try, or meet everyone's needs... They're not easy to create. It's easy to say, We should just be able to solve all these problems, like email for example. But the reality is that email on its own is more than one human being's lifetime worth of work to try to create a solution for.

@schratze @g1comics Often times these sites don't work in Chrome either and you have to, you know, go into the developer tools to make them function correctly.

@schratze @g1comics yeah in the us, most places where you have to pay utility bills or interact with government are only ever tested on chrome