‍fuchsiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa @f0x@pixie.town

oh fucking hell, i was midway typing a reply to someone before I realized this was definitely not good-faith and then I went to their posts/replies and the only interactions they have with this entire instance is shitty techbro sealioning

ah because I still had a lot of local changes I didn't push..

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let's get to the bottom of this

*points toward camera*

@freci Currently it's completely mixed, but that's also because work is now getting paid to do a hobby project :)

Before that I used a separate 'work' Simple Tab Group https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/

@bstacey @janl@chaos.social it's also something that has gotten worse over time, where many newer decisions are very clearly prioritizing marketing over privacy

@violet_cybrespace there's some joke about laid fees here

@kim ​​

is the techbro understanding of consent really just "you didn't say no, even though you weren't aware what I was going to do"

fuck

From https://chaos.social/@janl/109677152590563058 and https://chaos.social/@janl/109677164080124847 and the kinda evasive responses to mine and others concerns, it seems he's only intent in listening if it's something a [larger part] of "the community" rather not have, so it's worth chiming in on the original thread

note: the Mastodon "Opt-out of search engine indexing" setting is not a suitable proxy for consent here, it's hidden away in the settings unknown to most users, and it's also wrongly opt-out instead of opt-in.

His stated goal is to run this as an 'experiment' to 'have this conversation', but in my opinion that could've happened (and was already happening) without publishing a tool, or at the very least making people explicitly **opt-in** to indexing of their toots like this

@ShaulaEvans@zirk.us Chekov's Object Permanence

@janl@chaos.social Mastodon is larger than Eugen though, and there's actually a sizeable part of the community that also doesn't agree with other (privacy-related) choices Eugen makes, like the Mastodon 4.x hugely exposed client API.

It's good to have a conversation about this with the community, but that goes much better when there isn't a published tool that is (perceived as) an active threat.

Opt-out is not enough, this needs an active opt-in, like a recognizable hashtag in bio.

@tastytea@very.tastytea.de the noindex setting is exposed in the account object as `discoverable` (it's false for both of us), and so is the bio that might contain the opt-out hashtag stuff

@janl@chaos.social Right, I get that you currently have no interest to do so, and I'm inclined to believe you, but this is what it gives you access to, now or in the indefinite future.

Thing is though, Mastodon already has Elasticsearch support, and it's an explicit choice to scope the search functionality to just your own toots, hashtags and posts you've actually interacted with, not just the ones you could've seen passing by.

It's like this because of social reasons, not technical issues that need solving, and that's what all the scraper- and adjacent projects seem to get wrong.

@tastytea@very.tastytea.de robots.txt doesn't make too much sense because afaik it's using the mastodon client api from the logged in user, to keep a searchable copy of everything that passes by in their home timeline, not contacting/scraping any remote instances directly?