Sven Slootweg (soft-deprecated) @joepie91@pixie.town

@Dee Transmission Control Potassium, definitely

@polotek The closest I've seen to that, would be plural collectives having an instance with different accounts for every collective member.

@pascaline Vermoed ik ook.

@pascaline Hm. Ze zullen even gemist hebben dat buitenlandse leerlingen vaak al een cruciale inkomstenbron zijn voor veel onderwijsinstellingen om de begroting rond te krijgen?

Of nou ja, "gemist", dat weten ze ongetwijfeld...

@ciourte @zkat
Yeah, that response tracks with what apologists have told me as well. Curiously the "there's nobody to replace him" never seems to involve any actual analysis of whether there *is* someone who can replace him (there are many such people), and nobody claiming "the movement needs a leader" can credibly explain *why* it needs a "leader" either, especially at this kind of cost...

(For the record, being autistic is absolutely not an excuse for this kind of behaviour. Yes, accommodations are often necessary, but it doesn't absolve one from personal responsibility not to harm others, and it also isn't a wildcard to demand anything and everything. I say this as someone who is autistic.)

@roberth @arianvp

> so that we can temporarily give it dark powers

That's also the sort of thing I was thinking about, yes. To get *really* good error messages, that can be independently developed and improved from within the module system (without requiring upstream review for every change, which would make this nonviable) it would need pretty wide-ranging access to the runtime semantics.

That wide-ranging access could (and probably should!) be restricted to error conditions, though, to ensure that typical evaluation semantics don't get modified by 'clever' hacks too much.

> I think you're referring to a past team that never really got off the ground.

Possibly. I'm wary of promises of improvement due to those promises having been made several times in the past, and it turning out that many of the same systemic issues were still present. The bus factor was a major issue, true, but not the *only* one either.

So this has become an "I'll believe it when I see it" sort of thing - I can certainly be convinced that things have improved, but only through sustainable visible improvements, not just promises and ideas :) Trust takes time and effort to regain.

@follpvosten While this isn't Ryanair, the Dutch Railways make the exact same recommendation; in their case it's because the app disables the NFC functionality while scanning the ticket off the screen, as they use dual NFC/optical reader units, and they don't want you to accidentally activate the digital wallet on your phone and such.

The need for an app can be avoided in that case by turning off NFC manually when scanning the ticket. I don't know for sure what Ryanair's reasoning is (and whether it's just a ploy to get you to install the app) but perhaps it's something similar?

@arianvp So we "just" need a well-considered set of introspection capabilities with sufficient coverage of language semantics, basically?

(I say this with a feeling of dread about Nix core getting this kind of stuff right... 😐 )

@arianvp Hmm. Could this hypothetically be addressed by exposing more introspection capabilities for the language semantics, so that the eDSL evaluator can make use of the host language's features but still have sufficient insight into and control over its semantics that it could produce credible error messages?