I would encourage you to identify who the tech dude is in *your* FOSS community with a governance problem, and start drawing more attention to their role in the issue
@freakazoid Oh yes, that is absolutely the root of it.
@freakazoid Oh, certainly, I think it's very important that we actually do that work, and I don't think that the man-on-a-pedestal approach is a *good* one.
I only wanted to emphasize that fixing this problem is a long process that involves commitment from a lot of people; not something we can "just" do. That doesn't make it impossible of course, it's just important to acknowledge that it is hard :)
@freakazoid Or to put it more succinctly: the exact same task is made 10x harder by social norms if you are a group of people trying to work together rather than a singular Dude With A Vision.
@freakazoid That's easier said than done, unfortunately. There's not exactly a widespread collective skill at collaborative project management (or resource pool for it), and often collaborative projects end up stalling.
That's not because the model fundamentally doesn't work - but because everything in society optimizes for the mythical man-on-a-pedestal, and all the social processes that people learn and resource distribution mechanisms are optimized for that.
Moving away from that model is going to require an active effort at teaching people to work and coordinate together, and to create the circumstances in which people *can* work on such things (given their lack of privilege, and resulting disadvantage in time and money).
@0x4d6165 Hm, I mainly see it used to describe the kind of FOSS enthusiast who is unreasonably evangelist about it and - crucially - ignores individual circumstances in the process. AFAIK that's the root of the term - techbro behaviour, but applied to FOSS evangelism.
I would *hope* that that is still how it is used, but perhaps it has scope-creeped...
@serapath @balrogboogie I have strong doubts about that approach, to be honest - ultimately the gatekeeping rarely happens on the actual technical level, so I don't think that's really the right problem to be solving.
Even with a nominally distributed development model, the vast majority of users are going to have some notion of an 'official' or 'canonical' branch, and it's going to be the one with the best marketing (which is where privileged folks have an advantage).
Even excluding that, you will run into interoperability problems; just look at how much Mastodon is imposing its constraints on the rest of fedi, despite the protocol nominally being open, purely by its relative size and fame in the ecosystem. Same deal with Element and Matrix.
So no, I don't think that "avoiding governance" (which is what decentralized repos boil down to) is a sustainable solution. We're going to have to actually engage with the deeper governance problems and find ways to avoid these problems specifically, while still doing governance.
Perhaps the most frustrating part of this all is that if the situation continues for long enough, lateral violence often starts happening - nobody can hold the dude at the top accountable, therefore people start trying to hold *each other* accountable, even if nobody involved in those conflicts actually has the power to do anything about it
@balrogboogie As usual, the most dangerous form of privilege might well be the *unrecognized* privilege
@balrogboogie That is definitely often a factor, though I've seen the same thing happen without the bigotry component too. My working theory is that the most privileged among us are accustomed to the system Working For Them (ie. things "just magically work") and therefore do not recognize that they have a role to play themselves in making things happen
Like, I've seen and been involved with tons of governance issues in FOSS communities over the years, and I've lost count of how often it's just a situation of "everyone in the community is working really hard to make this work, and solving all the difficult problems, and then the entire effort grinds to a halt because of one singular white tech dude at the top being uncooperative or 'not seeing the problem' or being unwilling to delegate responsibility"
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