This "scientific" article from Sony CSL about 15 min cities has been making the rounds in the news those past few weeks, and uhhh

As far as I can tell it's really bad research? It's based on OSM data without trying to compensate for disparity in coverage. It's based on some weird definition of urban areas that in some cases include several acres of uninhabited mountains, which reduce city averages. Basic mistakes.

csl.sony.it/project/the-15-min
arxiv.org/pdf/2408.03794

For example, when Nature reported on this they included a graph showing Rotterdam as significantly worse than most other large european metros.

Looking at the maps... whatif.sonycsl.it/15mincity/15 it shows places like *all of Hook of Holland* being 30+ min away by foot from "supplies" (supermarkets) and "learning" (schools).

And the urban area includes the whole port of Rotterdam. Which, yeah, I can believe it's not a very walkable neighbourhood?

The reason why Hook of Holland is included is that it's part of the municipality of Rotterdam. The reason why it's shown as 30+ min is because the algorithm used by the researchers uses the average walking time to the **20 nearest POIs** in a given category. Which makes no sense when you have isolated "islands" (figuratively) like Hook of Holland, which really should count as separate towns. Just really bad methodology...

@delroth The only way I could see that someone might consider Hook of Holland to be part of Rotterdam's urban area is because there's a metro line running there, and the only reason for that is cost-cutting of the train line that that previously was... so yeah, that's a bizarre classification.

@joepie91 @delroth I looked into it and it seems like they just pulled the metro area relation/area from OSM, which includes Hook of Holland because apparently it is officially a borough of Rotterdam? At least according to the English Wikipedia page?

openstreetmap.org/relation/324

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governme

@hazelnot @delroth It falls under the *municipality* of Rotterdam, yes, but that is absolutely *not* the same thing as being part of Rotterdam's metro/urban area. Municipalities are primarily government-administrative boundaries, not planning or cultural boundaries.

@joepie91 @delroth I agree, I'm just reinforcing the idea that the Sony people had no idea what they're doing, cause OSM's metro area tags refer strictly to the official administrative boundaries as far as I know

@hazelnot @joepie91 FWIW I don't think the Sony CSL research uses the OSM metro areas, it uses either the OECD FAUs or the GHS UCDB when available according to the paper.

But both are equally terrible. The GHS UCDB for Rotterdam even includes The Hague... 🤦‍♂️

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