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Things that "everybody knows" that are wrong :boost_requested: (has references to crimes) 

Let's do a round-up of a couple!

THE LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA

The burning down of this library is often seen as one of the biggest losses of culture in history. In reality, it seems that the library mostly stored copies of works, and while big, it stored very few *unique* things - therefore, not much was actually lost.

THE BYSTANDER EFFECT

The claim is that when there are many bystanders of an incident, none will take responsibility. This is based on the murder of Kitty Genovese, where it was claimed that there were many witnesses, but none of them did anything.

That's false - in fact, the amount of witnesses was limited due to the location, and multiple people alerted the police, but the police failed to respond in a timely manner. More recently, research into the bystander effect suggests that the entire theory is wrong - people *do* consistently come to the aid of others.

THE STANFORD PRISON EXPERIMENT

Claimed to 'prove' that given power, people will turn malicious and start abusing others. In reality, the experiment was fraudulent, and proved no such thing - the guard in the experiment were actively *encouraged* by the researcher to be abusive.

THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY

This is often seen as some sort of 'scientifically proven fact' about human behaviour; if you leave vandalism or other "anti-social" behaviour untreated, it will invite more of it.

In reality, this was just made up by a cop in New York, never proven, and used as a justification for violent and oppressive policing tactics. There's no evidence that this is true, or ever was.

THE TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS

This theory claims that when a group of individuals are given access to a common shared resource, they will each act selfishly and collectively exhaust the resource, whereas it would've been fine if one party controlled access. Usually reference over-grazing.

In reality, this concept (in its current form) comes from a thought experiment where it was just *assumed* to be true, rather than from actual research; and instead there is a long history of shared resources being effectively collectively managed without giving any one party total control over access or distribution.

This doesn't stop authoritarians from using the tragedy of the commons as a justification for their accumulation of power; claiming that otherwise, the resources would be exhausted.

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME

This theory claims that victims of crime and/or abuse will develop an irrational attachment to the perpetrator, implying that they can no longer be trusted to have agency in determining how to deal with the situation.

In reality, rather than being based in rigorous research, this concept was coined by a criminologist based on a single bank robbery in (as the name implies) Stockholm.

Crucially, the victims were quite clear about the reason for their trust towards the robbers; the police were acting irresponsibly in this incident, endangering people unnecessarily, and therefore the robbers were the more rational and less dangerous party in the conflict. Not quite the 'irrational attachment' that's so often claimed...

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Bonus round!

THE LORD OF THE FLIES

This novel featured a group of kids, alone on an island after a plane crash, regressing into conflict and violence, and is often named as a cautionary tale of how things will immediately fall apart when there is no law and order.

Unfortunately, that story is entirely made-up nonsense. A similar incident actually happened in 1966, where a couple of kids from (near) Tonga stranded on the island 'Ata, only being rescued 15 months later.

Contrary to the story in Lord of the Flies, they successfully governed themselves, developed ways to resolve conflicts among themselves, kept themselves healthy even despite injury, and survived the experience.

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@joepie91 Little known fact: you can club someone who abuses the term "tragedy of the commons" in the head with a copy of Governing the Commons by Elinor Ostrom

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@joepie91 So, you're saying that the bystander effect was invented just so as to blame cops' misconduct on innocent bystanders.

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@riley Basically. This is unfortunately true for a lot of pseudo-psychological terms that criminologists like to throw around.

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@joepie91 It's a small miracle that Lombroso didn't invent the concept of "punchable face", the specific sort of skull irregularities that would trigger irresistible and eminently justifiable punching violent impulse in, specifically, prison officials.

Aka excited delirium.

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@joepie91 THE MARSHMALLOW EXPERIMENT

Ultimately, the researchers failed to replicate the results of the famous marshmallow experiment; rather, their results now indicate that socioeconomics was the determining factor behind delayed gratification and later success in life.

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@richardmiller Good one! I totally forgot about that one...

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@joepie91 just learned one from reading colorado.edu/lab/medlab/2020/0: Companies in the US do not have a legal mandate to maximize shareholder value. It's an economic theory about the role of the firm, not a law.

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@joepie91 also gonna add: people tried to recreate the Stanford prison experiment as reality TV shows, but turns out it was boring (as there was absolutely no tension between the prisoners and guards, a commune was formed after a few days.

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@joepie91 Love what one person once said: "Lord of the Flies only truly shows how upperclass private school white boys would act if left unsupervised" and it has never left me.

I do also think about that time they left two groups of kids together for a weekend but separated them by gender and the girls faired much better than boys but that wasn't really a formal experiment.

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@mdstevens0612 I'm honestly not sure that even that holds up, in an isolated-from-society setting.

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@joepie91 In Lord of the Flies it only breaks down once fuedalism and capitalist ownership starts to come in. They're working well for a long time together.

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@joepie91 Welctually, there's a crucial difference between the real scenario and the fiction: the group of real-life kids was self-selected, and generally liked each other. Then, self-governance is reasonably easy to build. Lord of the Flies scenarios generally arise in real life only when a bunch of kids (or adults) are selected by an external actor, happen to have strong personality clashes between them, and forced into a small shared space. Which, ironically, kind of resembles both the famous scientific error about wolves with Greek letters that doesn't apply to free-living wolves, and an average corporate workplace.

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@riley Yes and no; while that distinction *does* likely exist, the original claim/story does not make that distinction either, and the real problem there is "people being forced into structures they do not wish to exist in, rather than governing their own lives".

So it still doesn't support the belief that people claim it supports; namely, that people are fundamentally incapable of self-governing without an authoritarian leader.

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@joepie91 My argument is that a group's incapability of self-governing arises from authoritarian meddling.

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Huh, not sure if it's my memory being hazy, but I think I've seen the stanford prison experiment mainly as a tale of "peoplenwill be willing to commit atrocious acts if they can push away the reaponaibility" rather than developing malice on thwir own.
Which I think was still useless, because I think the participants got actually forced, but I'm not sure.

Recently I've seen more talk about the kord of the flies stressing that it is specifically about british boarding schools, which are kif of terrible, and that it still took a lot of time, and the arrival of the titular lord of the flies to make their society fall apart.

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@joepie91
Oh! I always thought the tragedy of the commons just referred to rich people stealing the commons, taking it away from the community which had been utilising it, and then trashing it in the attempt to wring as much short term financial gain from it as possible 😅

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@3TomatoesShort That is pretty much what happens in reality, yeah, and I'd say that that would be a much more fitting meaning for the term! It's also something that can be prevented with collective commons management.

But usually when people use the term, they're trying to make the assertion that central and hierarchical control and domination is needed because if left to their own devices, people will be unable to manage the commons without someone taking more than they are entitled to.

Basically, it tries to frame it as some fundamental inability of individuals to collective manage things to justify appropriation.

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@joepie91 can you link resources to that?

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@commentator2_0 Much of this is described on Wikipedia, even. I do not have any other links left from when I wrote that post.

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@commentator2_0 Sorry, that perhaps came across harsher than intended. I was getting frustrated with some replies on another thread, nothing to do with you!

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@joepie91@social.pixie.town this one would like to hear more about the broken window theory one. do you have any relevant links?

Things that "everybody knows" that are wrong :boost_requested: (has references to crimes) 

@ark It's been a while since I wrote that post so I do not have a comprehensive article about it within reach anymore, but the Wikipedia articles of the inventors seem like a decent place to start: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_L and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Q. (it's also hard to miss the racist undertones in its history)

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