Why don't you just use XMPP?
(Leaving this here as a FAQ since I get this 'question' entirely too often.)
Because every single time I engage in a discussion with an XMPP proponent, it takes less than 5 minutes to get to "XMPP is fine, you just need to adjust your expectations/requirements", and this FOSSbro attitude is *exactly* why I jumped ship from the XMPP community years ago.
re: Why don't you just use XMPP?
@jerry I'm sure it works for some folks (like all FOSS software), the problem with FOSSbros is the assumption that if it does for them, it also does for everybody else
re: Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 yeah just saw your other posts and ho boy.
/me backs away in confusion and ignorance
re: Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 My novice quip is "if it's built to work for everybody it works well for nobody"
Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 both Mastodon and Synapse was easier for me to set up than any XMPP servers I found so I never really got into it.
Also, the few times I actually did use XMPP I ran into the classical "you just aren't using the right client configured correctly" when I complained that it was really annoying I couldn't see my message history or reliably use it on both my computer and phone.
Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 "Adjusting your requirements" meaning "Not talking to your iPhone friends anymore" keeping me on bloody facebook messenger
re: Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 I mostly don't use it because I have never seen any communities around XMPP that I wanted to join. The only groups that I saw using it were XMPP developers.... I'm still not using Matrix for the same reason, but it's kinda the point that there aren't *exclusive* Matrix communities. Maybe I'll switch sometime.
Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 My reason for dropping XMPP is because the mobile clients kinda suck and hosting a server has been more effort than it was worth (in my experience).
It exists. It works at what it does, but it's not up to my standards as a universal communication protocol and development within the ecosystem is mostly dead.
re: Why don't you just use XMPP?
@cero I would say that hosting a server was the only part of the experience that I didn't find painful... once I found Prosody, that is, which seemed to be the only thing that Just Worked, and with an actually helpful and welcoming community.
That didn't help with any of the other problems, of course... :/
Why don't you just use XMPP?
@joepie91 Been living the IRC life too long and recently Matrix while somehow dodging the XMPP drama so I don't see the turmoil.
That said, I've seen newfolks use it and seem happy so not sure what to think.