Forest @forestjohnson@pixie.town

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> how much value is there in password managers if you give no advice about passwords? selfhosted vaultwarden behind 7 proxies doesn't help if all the passwords stored in it are "password"

Mostly the value is that it forces the user to collect and inventory thier passwords, and to back them up. IMO the primary most significant risk involved in using passwords is that you lose the password and you get locked out of your account forever, I believe this accounts for over half of all password related problems, and often has the most severe consequences.

Also, I don't know if vaultwarden will warn you about weak or already leaked passwords, but I know things like 1password and bitwarden will.

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> what is the difference between an encryption key seed and a password to you?

Well, they have completely different security models. If you're going to try to guess a password, you always have to send your guesses one at a time over the network to someone else's computer that you don't control.

With encryption key seeds, you can have an entire rack of GPUs all guessing at once without bothering anyone, and then you can buy another rack.

@decentral1se @notplants Oh yeah, I remember now. I remember being slightly frustrated by how much screen real estate it took up.

I don't think it needs the borders like that. Maybe there's a way to turn it off? don't know.

But in general, I like the idea of a Tmuxish program that has the nano style keys labeled at the bottom, and shows the mode.