By this point I honestly don't know anymore what's necessary to make (some specific) Element people understand that they've already breached the trust thermocline and they are rapidly dooming if they continue on their current path

Like, they seem insistent on pretending there is no problem with their approach, despite the mounting evidence that things are fucked, and it's infuriating

Like. The vast majority of conversation I see about Matrix today is "people trying to figure out how and when to move away from it".

I don't know how much clearer it can be that there's a problem.

What do these people *need*, what magical incantation do I need to cast to get them to take their head out of their fucking ass

@joepie91 I remember we talked on a similar topic, and you mentioned that it's no use trying to convince people whose payroll depends on believing the opposite. Quite possible it's the case here too.

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@KFears I mean, their payroll is rapidly starting to dissipate because of these very same issues

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@joepie91 If capitalists could stop shooting themselves in the feet for a day, they wouldn't be capitalists. This greed and insatiable need to sabotage their own income source for petty reasons is a defining characteristic of capitalists.

So sure enough, they'll drive everything through the mud because doing it any other way endangers their sense of self, they'll lose their payroll as a result, and they'll come up with external reasons for this and move on to another thing to destroy. Business as usual.

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