XMPP, Matrix
So the latest XMPP proponent argument against Matrix was "Element works with cops, that's why you should use XMPP instead"
And here I see a Conversations developer and an ejabberd developer being excited about XMPP being adopted by German cops
It's almost as if the weirdly aggressive arguments coming from those XMPP proponents (it's always the same bunch of people) are made in bad faith
re: XMPP, Matrix
@joepie91 I feel like both also have way different uses?
SMS/WhatsApp/Signal/Skype -> XMPP
Discord/Slack/IRC -> Matrix
re: XMPP, Matrix
@eater Reasonable discussions can be had about that sort of thing, but crucially they are never had by the people I'm talking about - whose claims generally boil down to something along the lines of "Matrix is just a malicious attempt at displacing XMPP, and fragmenting the messaging space" while being completely ignorant to the reasons why it exists or, y'know, the actual adoption history of XMPP
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@eater And the frustrating thing is that while most people recognize the absurdity of their claims on the face of it, some people don't, and then it filters through a few layers of distortion and pops up as a less-obviously-wrong version of the same rhetoric
Resulting in ongoing harassment of Matrix folks (both core devs and just people in its dev community)
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@joepie91 blehhh
the adoption history of XMPP is actually very strong,