Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail Timetable change days - Den Haag - Amsterdam - Bruxelles - Rotterdam - Leeuwarden - Groningen - Den Haag
Crossing these borders:
TWICE! Antwerpen Centraal 🇧🇪 - Rotterdam Centraal 🇳🇱 (high speed line, crossed before)
These borders on the borders map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#13/51.4922/4.7278
Today's routes on the routes map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#8/52.062/5.478
Why am I starting today‘s #CrossBorderRail at 4am? Explained in today‘s intro video
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 7 of 32
IC 1418
04:22 Den Haag HS - Amsterdam Centraal 05:16
NS
Train type: Talbot-Bombardier VIRM EMU, 4 double deck carriages
⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (ramp on platform)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (cramped double deck design)
🧽: 😐 (grimy outside)
IC 1418
04:22 Den Haag HS - Amsterdam Centraal 05:16
Distance: 59.6km
Average speed: 66km/h
3 stops:
Leiden Centraal
Schiphol (Airport)
Amsterdam Centraal
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#11/52.2328/4.6112
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Bike 1 of 2
Amsterdam Centraal - Amsterdam Zuid
Distance: 6.1km
Est. duration: 0:25
This bike route, mapped on Komoot: https://www.komoot.com/de-de/tour/1926254068
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 8 of 32
ECD 9512
06:03 Amsterdam Zuid - Bruxelles Midi 08:03
NS, SNCB
Train type: Alstom ICNG EMU, 8 carriages
⚡️ (1.5kV dc, then 25kV ac, then 1.5kV dc, then 25kV ac, then 3kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (supposed to be step free)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂 (well designed, all racks good)
🧽: 🙂 (spotless)
ECD 9512
06:03 Amsterdam Zuid - Bruxelles Midi 08:03
Distance: 204km
Average speed: 102km/h
4 stops:
Schiphol (Airport)
Rotterdam Centraal
Antwerpen Centraal
Bruxelles Midi
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#9/51.5924/4.6046
So what’s this like?
It’s like a souped up regional train
They’ve done the best they could with the interior. But it’s quite noisy, the ride a bit rocky. Lots of interior doors to keep noise levels down
It‘ll work, sure. But it’s a bit underwhelming
Accessibility - the wheelchair area is huge. The toilet also enormous, the door well designed. The step to bridge the gap to the platform didn’t work correctly - it went over the platform.
Seats & bike area like this will result conflicts
Amazing
Live running of Belgian trains is in DB Navigator.
Live running of Dutch trains too.
Live running of trains from Belgium to Netherlands isn’t 🤷♂️
Extra video! @maartje and I on the first ECD Antwerpen - Bruxelles https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/g8CkicdxrYhY2mbzjWMwzj
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 9 of 32
EC 9223
08:44 Bruxelles Midi - Rotterdam Centraal 10:50
SNCB, NS
Train type: Bombardier TRAXX top and tailing 6 I11 carriages
⚡️ (3kV dc, then 25kV ac, then 1.5kV dc, then 25kV ac, then 1.5kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (ramp on platforms, accessible area is only in silent carriage)
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (no racks for large bags, narrow steps)
🧽: 🙂
EC 9223
08:44 Bruxelles Midi - Rotterdam Centraal 10:50
Distance: 157km
Average speed: 75km/h
9 stops:
Bruxelles-Central
Bruxelles-Nord
Brussels Airport - Zaventem
Mechelen
Antwerpen-Berchem
Antwerpen Centraal
Noorderkempen
Breda
Rotterdam Centraal
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#9/51.5788/4.6019
Gate crashing the launch party at Rotterdam Centraal
Boss of NS is here. They’re very proud of their new train. Mayor of Rotterdam here too
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 10 of 32
IC 641
11:34 Rotterdam Centraal - Leeuwarden 14:14
NS
Train type: Talbot, De Dietrich, ADtranz, SIG DDZ, 5 double deck carriages, motor car single deck seats
⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (ramp on platform)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (narrow passages into passenger areas)
🧽: ☹️ (covered in grime outside)
IC 641
11:34 Rotterdam Centraal - Leeuwarden 14:14
Distance: 238.5km
Average speed: 89km/h
9 stops:
Rotterdam Alexander
Gouda
Utrecht Centraal
Amersfoort Centraal
Zwolle
Meppel
Steenwijk
Heerenveen
Leeuwarden
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#9/52.5947/4.7667
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 11 of 32
37352
14:18 Leeuwarden - Groningen 14:52
Arriva Nederland
Train type: Stadler WINK bi mode MU, 2 carriages
🌱 ⛽ (HVO)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (step free)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (multi use area cramped, too many seats)
🧽: 😐 (grimy outside)
37352
14:18 Leeuwarden - Groningen 14:52
Distance: 54km
Average speed: 95km/h
3 stops:
Feanwalden
Buitenpost
Groningen
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#11/53.2262/6.1788
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 12 of 32
IC 560
16:18 Groningen - Amersfoort Centraal 17:53
NS
Train type: 2x Talbot, De Dietrich Ferroviaire, Adtranz NS DDZ, 3 double deck carriages, driving control car, power car with single deck seats
⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (ramp on platform)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (cramped steps, few racks)
🧽: ☹️ (covered in grime outside)
IC 560
16:18 Groningen - Amersfoort Centraal 17:53
Distance: 171.6km
Average speed: 108km/h
3 stops:
Assen
Zwolle
Amersfoort Centraal
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#9/52.6847/6.0027
Groningen has an amazing station hall. Once the track side renovations are done it’s going to be an excellent station overall!
So over a coffee ☕️ with @bennileemhuis in Groningen I now have an idea for a mini project for 2025 sometime.
When the Friesenbrücke finally re-opens to connect Groningen to Oldenburg #CrossBorderRail I’ll take it. But I’ll then also cycle the route of a future Lelylijn to better connect Groningen to Lelystad and Amsterdam https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lelylijn
#CrossBorderRail Timetable change days Train 13 of 32
IC 1762
18:10 Amersfoort Centraal - Den Haag Centraal 19:09
NS
Train type: Talbot NS Intercity Materieel Koploper EMU, 4 and 3 carriages
⚡️ (1.5kV dc)
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (ramp on platform)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (poor for big bags)
🧽: 😐 (grimy, but less bad than earlier ones today)
IC 1762
18:10 Amersfoort Centraal - Den Haag Centraal 19:09
Distance: 82.4km
Average speed: 84km/h
3 stops:
Utrecht Centraal
Gouda
Den Haag Centraal
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#11/52.0812/4.8494
Also Trein Posities is an amazing website using NS open data
Here’s my train:
https://treinposities.nl/ritinfo/20241215/1762
It uses GPS on board to plot speed. The route is mapped. It explains the type of rolling stock. Amazing tool!
1) It’s a ICE not a TGV. TGV is a SNCF trademark and this thing is a Deutsche Bahn train 😀
2) If one train a day - largely a politically symbolic gesture - shows appetite, then here’s a whole autobahn or autoroute full of traffic I have to show you
*we need more and better than this!*
@jon Huh. I wonder how enforceable that actually is.
@joepie91 enough to make life tricky for private rivals to SNCF. Probably not going to apply to Le Monde articles!
@jon @joepie91 here in the 🇺🇸, everyone calls any high speed train project — other than the existing East Coast D.C. to Boston corridor Acela, which barely qualifies — a bullet train… referencing the Japanese Shinkansen (since 1964).
TGV is more or less a brand name now, but still, a “train à grande vitesse” is literally any high speed train.
@joepie91 SNCF has been sending lawyer’s letters to any rival using the term! Really!