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@lea@lea.pet @joshix @jessew As far as I've been able to determine from the scant technical documentation, sealed sender doesn't do this either and in the end still boils down to "trust us bro" (it just describes the way in which they *claim* they have made it harder for themselves to correlate, but they still have all the control needed to quietly undo that)

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@lea@lea.pet @joshix @jessew (This is understandable because it seems to be basically impossible to make a messenger with vaguely complete featureset that *doesn't* leak this metadata, for technical reasons; it's the claiming that they are somehow exempt from that that's misleading)

@joepie91 @lea @jessew a good messenging solution imho needs to be self-hostable in a way that no extern party gets any metadata.

@joshix @lea@lea.pet @jessew While that's true from the perspective of someone who *wants* to self-host their stuff, that doesn't do anything for the folks who are dependent on others to run it for them (which is going to be the majority of people even in an ideal world, because most people don't have time or interest to maintain servers).

@joepie91 @lea @jessew yeah, signal does it's best for being a centralized service. And it just works. That's great.
But I don't want a centralized service. And matrix kinda showed that there is a demand from organisations to have control over their stuff.

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