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some analysis, mastodon for harris 

So, about that mutual aid vs. Harris campaigning thing, there's a couple of points that keep coming up. Let's talk about them for a bit.

"We don't know if they're scammers!"

Doesn't matter; a small chance of it going to someone who's "scamming" is still considerably better than knowing *for sure* that your donation will only be a drop in the bucket (like is the case for Harris fundraising).

And even if they *were* 'scammers', as I have previously pointed out, low-stakes scammers are disproportionately poor people, so it really doesn't matter for the purpose of supporting someone.

"Small chance? What if *most* of them are scammers?"

Do you actually believe that the world is in a good enough shape that it's more likely for someone asking for help to be a scammer, than to genuinely need help? Have you *looked* at folks' well-being lately?

"But I don't want to reward begging!"

You don't want to normalize asking for help? No, really, I mean it, this is a serious question - why, exactly, do you think this is a bad thing? Because chances are there's some internalized hate you need to work on there.

"If we just gave money, nobody would ever do anything productive again!"

Aside from this having been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked by research into motivation, you're also basically repeating conservative rhetoric. Are you progressive or are you not? Do you believe in the good of people or not? What are your politics *really*?

"But the greater good is more important!"

Okay. Have you done the math, and calculated what, exactly, that 'greater benefit' would be? How exactly your donation would concretely translate into a societal improvement? Because if you haven't, then this is a retroactive excuse, not a well-considered rationale.

If you have, you will probably pretty quickly have come to the conclusion that the amount of money we're raising here is insignificant in the bigger picture, that it will mainly be spent on a marketing campaign for an individual, and that there are zero assurances that it *will* even translate into anything good, even if Harris is elected.

Doesn't mean she isn't the better option compared to Trump, to be clear, but it's pretty hard to make a credible 'greater good' argument here; she only needs to win, *by how much* doesn't really matter.

In comparison, sending money to someone asking for mutual aid on here will likely save someone's literal life. Someone who, I might add, *then can contribute to improving politics*. You know, many hands make light work and all that. You can't fix politics when everybody is starving.

And if you believe that mutual aid recipients wouldn't make a useful contribution to the political environment, well. I invite you to ask yourself why you believe that, and sit and reflect on the answer for a while, because the problem there does not lie with the mutual aid recipients.

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@joepie91 the argument of "greater good" literally makes no sense the moment you realize that HARTJE GEBROKEN: THERE ARE COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

sorry, Harris won't end abuse at my home, won't give me a job adjusted to my disabilities, won't give me welfare, won't fund my move-out to a country that actually sees queer folk as somewhat human.

american digital imperialism is a disease

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@alexander Oh, definitely - there are *so many* reasons why that rationale doesn't hold up if you think about it for a few seconds. I just picked the one here that's the most obviously visible even to someone who has a long way to go in shedding their imperialist assumptions.

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@joepie91 they always think that US politics isn't the biggest scam on earth and still believe Harris will save them. lol lmao.

reminds me of the mentality of the opposition here that thought voting out the back-then ruling catholic-protofascist party will make Poland a decent place like most of EU

that quickly got verified when they got the office. but that doesn't stop some of the devotees to keep believing that the parliament will save them

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@joepie91 @alexander

It's also been pointed out that giving to someone in need may make it possible for them to vote, where they'd have been too overwhelmed (or homeless) before.

cc: @stapper

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@joepie91 This post by @debaparna_das will explain it more clearly why this argument is as hollow as one can be and how it's also plain xenophobia and racism: https://sunny.garden/@debaparna_das/112863455059435125

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@joepie91 also the "greater good" here would be having a politician on fedi

which like

apparently whatever form of "legitimization" of this platform that is is more important than people's lives

re: some analysis, mastodon for harris 

@VegaHarmonia @joepie91

that's their end goal? dear gods, why would you wish for that

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