@skye This is abuse apologia.
@foolishowl @skye yeah i immediately thought of richard fucking stallman. the problem definitely isn't that people are pushed out of communities too easily the problem is that the people who are pushed out of communities are occasionally people who haven't done anything wrong because occasionally the people in power are the ones doing terrible things and exercise ostracism as a tool to further their control (at no point does OP ever attempt to clarify this sort of thing; it's just cancel culture screed). less hierarchical mechanisms of community moderation can address the accumulation of political capital for abuse
reference to abusers
@hipsterelectron @foolishowl @skye Both of these things happen in practice; ostracizing mechanisms being misused by abusers, as well as people being prematurely ostracized through emergent community dynamics with no ill intentions. Different types of problems with their own solutions.
I also feel like the original post already addressed this point sufficiently to make clear what the intention was; it did not call for the opposite, it called for 'something inbetween' (which implies addressing *both* issues, which is actually harmed by framing it as a binary choice between 'always ostracize' and 'never ostracize' because many conflict-averse people *will* choose the latter).
I am very much in favour of less- or non-hierarchical moderation approaches as well. But making that actually work in practice requires recognizing that harmful ostracizing *can* still happen without hierarchy, and that that's a thing you need to account for in your culture.
