Subtoot, CCC 

So ein bisschen verwirrt mich ja das Weltverständnis von manchen Leuten schon.

"Wir dürfen keine Leute von Club-Veranstaltungen ausschließen, ohne dass sie gerichtlich verurteilt wurden!"

Warum nicht? Genauso wie du zu deiner Geburtstagsparty den Bully aus der Parallelklasse nicht einladen musst, muss der Club auch nicht jeden Vogel willkommen heißen, insbesondere nicht, wenn er schon öfter Probleme gemacht hat oder sich Menschen glaubhaft gefährdet fühlen.

Und das ist gut so.

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speculation, mention of trauma, re: Subtoot, CCC 

@scy I often can't shake the feeling that this sort of "we cannot actively exclude anyone without very good reason" rhetoric in nerd circles, is just a manifestation of a sort of collective trauma around getting bullied, and having internalized the idea that excluding people makes you the bad person (regardless of circumstances)...

That then only gets applied to *active* exclusion and the implicit exclusion resulting from "not dealing with abusive people" is overlooked in the process

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speculation, mention of trauma, re: Subtoot, CCC 

@joepie91 @scy It’s literally the first point in the classic „five geek social fallacies“ article:
> As a result, nearly every geek social group of significant size has at least one member that 80% of the members hate, and the remaining 20% merely tolerate.

plausiblydeniable.com/five-gee

speculation, mention of trauma, re: Subtoot, CCC 

@toni @scy That article was definitely in the back of my mind while writing this, though I think it manifests in more aggressively problematic ways than the article describes

speculation, mention of trauma, re: Subtoot, CCC 

@joepie91 Yeah, the article only scratches the surface of how bad things can get.

speculation, mention of trauma, re: Subtoot, CCC 

@joepie91 @scy Haha, I didn’t remember this part: „I don’t know that RPGs and comics would be more popular if there were fewer trolls who smell of cheese hassling the new blood, but I’m sure it couldn’t hurt.“

21 years later, RPGs and comics are mainstream because people finally started telling the trolls to shut up.

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