The amount of dogpiling and outright bile I've seen in this discussion around the BlueSky bridge disgusts me. @snarfed.org is a great guy, fully open source and a huge proponent of the #fediverse. This outright misunderstanding of what it means to be 'federated' yet still have the gall to attack this person saying he's against federation is beyond me. WE CAN DISAGREE! But we don't have to act like Twitter rejects. We are better than this.
Edit: correct account
https://social.beaware.live/@BeAware/111925619878914337
@scottjenson @snarfed.org@snarfed.org It's not that simple, see also https://mastodon.me.uk/@CatherineFlick/111929349006043333 and https://social.pixie.town/@joepie91/111929890704529836
@scottjenson Someone is violating other people's consent. *Of course* that is going to result in emotional personal responses. I find it absurd to demand a 'calm, rational discussion' under those circumstances.
@joepie91 I don't even know how to respond to that. Calm and rational is a 'bad thing'. My god, what have we become?
@joepie91 This isn't Gaza
@scottjenson That is not what I said. What I said is that *demanding* calm and rational is a bad thing, when talking about consent violations. It is tone policing that fails to acknowledge the emotional impact that this sort of thing has on vulnerable people.
@joepie91 You can't hide behind the 'tone police' argument. People are openly attacking Ryan for his bridge work, calling him a corporate shill, saying he's 'showing his true nature' and outright calling him terrible things. THAT is what I'm upset about. I'm not telling a woman she's 'too shrill' (that's tone police and I agree that's very bad) I'm telling people throwing Molotov cocktails to step away from the abyss. There is a BIG difference.
@scottjenson Do you really not see the problem with trying to define for someone else what qualifies as 'tone policing'?
@joepie91 Do you really not understand that corporate social media has made us all anxious, upset, and at each others throats? That if we want to survive we must find a way to work together? We have been fed the red meat of outrage for decades and it's tearing us apart as a society. How is a message like "hatred is bad" considered tone policing?
@scottjenson Because this isn't "hatred". This is people responding to their personal boundaries being violated. That has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 'corporate social media', and is a very real problem that needs to be taken seriously.
"Finding a way to work together" includes *especially* the responsibilities of relatively privileged folks to be mindful of the trauma and experiences of others, and to tread carefully on topics like this. So the exact opposite of what is being done here.
@joepie91 I strongly recommend you go look at the replies Ryan has received. It is most definitely hatred. Over the top, bat shit crazy vitriol. That is abuse and has no place here. I'm not tone policing YOU, I'm calling out crazies like THEM.
@joepie91 and..... you totally missed my point.
For what it's worth, that reply you linked to is a calm, rational discussion. I may not agree with it but that's OK! We can disagree without the personal attacks. That's what I'm seeing against Ryan and is what I'm upset about. It has nothing to do with your argument.