If you consider yourself a leftist and you're in favour of copyright/patents, then I would invite you take a moment and look into who is actually benefiting from it, and what it *actually* does vs. what it claims to do
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@joepie91 I mean, *bastardization* of IP law, specifically from the House of Mouse, is what's wrong with IP. Having an idea and getting a chance to do well by it before someone else, or worse, the House of Mouse, backstabs you through any host of ways to make a quick buck does drive technology and stuff forward.
Imagine if Disney could just take your stuff just because they wanted to.
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@shanie Disney can, and Disney regularly does, and copyright/patents have literally never actually protected from this
There is no 'good version' of IP because the concept has never worked and is fundamentally a tool of oppression; this is exactly what I meant with "if you bought into the propaganda then you are probably dropping the ball elsewhere"
The exact same applies here as for every other system of oppression: abolition, not reform
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@joepie91 Okay, I understand where you're coming from. I disagree that copyright/patents *never* protected anyone, but we can skip this as it's not the core issue.
So we abolish IP law. My question becomes: what happens after? It's a tough wall for me to see over.
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@shanie What happens after is nothing, because copyright/patents are not actually doing anything useful today, they are just *claimed* to. The problem is resolved by abolishing them, that's where the process finishes.
There's certainly a separate conversation to be had about how to support artists financially, but that is in no way related to copyright/patents, because that problem is currently unsolved *already* and IP is doing nothing to solve it, the "starving artist" trope is a trope for a reason
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@joepie91 Hmmmm. Interesting! I suppose if that were to happen, the artists style becomes what would be important rather than the characters they 'own'. Thank you for the brain worm, I'll have to think about this.
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IP is just an extension of private property, and it is an even worse form of rentseeking because it monopolizes something that *isn't even scarce*, and if this did not occur to you and you bought into the propaganda of it "supporting artists" (it doesn't) then you should REALLY pay closer attention to what is going on around you, because this probably isn't the only point where you're dropping the ball