@joepie91 what is this in reference too? What happened?

@joepie91 the cynical side of me says that after a year or two we'll be back to corporations running everything, because they have the economies of scale to keep servers alive and shove any drama under the rug.

this doesn't feel like anything new. it's like reddit or discord drama, except that the admins need technological experience and money, and also own your account. I doubt we'll see the end of it.

@joepie91 that last paragraph especially!

@joepie91 I have been trying to remind myself of how there are no utopias. When you migrate, you are not moving to paradise. You are just hopefully going somewhere better.

And once there, you are part of it. Which implies a responsibility to you, and you to it. Responsibilites like trying to make the place better for each other. No place is going to be perfect. But we as a community can make it better and better, until it's the best we can get it.

@joepie91 hey atleast #mastodon isn't owned by a narcissistic piece of shit

@joepie91 I've said this before, elsewhere, but—we're all used to blithely signing up for a site, willing to get stuff for free in exchange for ads and personal data, assuming that if a site is big it must be run by People Who Know What They're Doing. It's just kind of accepted that your entire online life is hosted by giant evil corporations.

Maybe we *should* have to look into who's hosting/running a site and think about it before joining. And people who run them should *definitely* be open about sustainability, stability, their limitations, their values, etc.

@joepie91 Is fedi an app or are you talking about @feditips ?

@joepie91 It is all very familiar for those of us who use to build community on various forums (for me it was gaming forums) only to watch them inevitably burn, crash, decay, or get nuked from orbit by capricious stakeholders.

@joepie91 Well put:

"Rather, we're all collectively having to relearn how to build and maintain communities and their infrastructure, after two decades of total reliance on corporations to (fail to) do so."

@joepie91 This! I've been thinking A LOT about the problem of losing posts/references when people have to migrate or an instance shuts down ever since I joined Mastodon. It's a major data integrity flaw of the broader fedi because there's no protocol for it yet. I kinda doubt activitypub would ever account for it, so it'd have to be a whole other spec that's easy to tack on, and be backward/forward compatible with existing instances so it can be adopted gradually. I have ideas but need to flesh them out a bit more.

@joepie91 @jurjen_heeck agree. A more open world can be painful but is worhwhile. Like any party, group ir team, friction and debate is a sign of a healthy culture.
In #fediverse you don't complain about features, policies, rules (or lack of) - you debate, talk with people who can change or add, or create yourself.
People might be used to complaining but not used to that someone listens and actually *cares*.

@joepie91 The reason I moved to social.coop was that it's founded on a worker cooperative model, with active discussion by members about policy.

The much larger Mastodon instance I was on previously was run arbitrarily, frequently violating its own few rules.

@joepie91 well said. Could not agree more. Maybe the trend is now slowing down but the idea has a solid foundation and will continue to grow. And there will be selection leading to quality and stability in the end. #LongLiveFediverse!

@joepie91 makes me super grateful for @adam. But then my IT DR brain kicks in. What’s his backup? What happens if something bad happens to him? Arrrgggh

@joepie91 not even a year in and my old instance is shutting down in three months 🙁 as soon as I heard, I booked it to where I am now 🙂

@joepie91 Seriously the fact that I could migrate to another instance and still be able to engage with people is pretty dope.

On twitter if your admin turns out to be, say, a transphobe, you can't just go to a different twitter and then completely block the instance of twitter your old admin runs.

That aside, I also prefer this because it's a lot more small community oriented than twitter.