@ruby Unfortunately that one has just turned out to be fed-friendly :(

@joepie91 @ruby What's the problem with it being friendly to government agencies? One can't expect any particularly high degree of confidentiality on any instance, I'd gather.

@berge @ruby Short version: https://jorts.horse/@ancient_catbus/109388836542306094

@joepie91 @ruby Thanks.

I'm absolutely onboard with avoiding Nazis, TERFS and vile content, and I have no love for police, but I don't really understand the risks and wanted outcomes here.

It's impossible to vet users on any public instance, so there could be agents or cops and whatnot everywhere - which for the most part won't matter, since almost all contents is public anyway.

@berge @ruby The problem isn't "cops exist". The problem is "cops are welcomed" (or, in the case of this particular instance, "cops are actively invited"). It makes the people running the instance untrustworthy.

@joepie91 @ruby Is the example CISA in this case?

@berge @ruby Yes, plus the operator's own history with feds

(And no, there is no such thing as "government infosec organizations for the public good", regardless of what they say on the tin they *always* end up supporting cops one way or another)

@joepie91 @ruby Police is a state's mechanism to enforce its will with force, so in some respects one could say that any and all parts of any government are backed by a police force anyway.

I get that sentiment, but I do think many parts of a government - and in many cases, the will of a government - actually is for the common good. In the case of CISA, they seem to for instance publish actual, useful, actionable advice for improving security. That's useful and good.

@joepie91 @ruby This puts it much better than I do: https://infosec.exchange/@tinker/109390010584698590

@berge @ruby This really doesn't address the concerns, and it's not really raising any points I haven't heard a hundred times before, but honestly it's not a discussion I really feel like continuing right now.

It's an extremely exhausting one because I always end up having to deconstruct a ton of assumptions not just about how government oppression works, but also about how government infosec organizations work internally.

I've had to have it too often already, and I just don't really see any reason to have it again here.

@joepie91 @ruby More than fair, and my fault for defaulting to raise points rather than trying to just understand. I'm sorry.