re: discussion regarding matrix (IM) and privacy 

@kescher @shahaan@eldritch.cafe I think that it's important to remain critical of metadata littering, but I also think that people tend to unfairly magnify Matrix's position in that.

The metadata it retains is generally pretty standard operational stuff that any system keeps (which allows it to function technically), and the one general-purpose system which claims to keep less metadata (Signal) is highly suspect in its claims on the topic, and definitely not peer-reviewed.

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re: discussion regarding matrix (IM) and privacy 

@kescher @shahaan@eldritch.cafe Or to put it differently: Matrix seems to generally be held to much higher standards here than other systems, and often with disregard for what's actually technically viable.

And worse, the whole sentiment of "Matrix is so terrible with metadata" seems to originate from a malicious concern troll (Maxidorius) in the first place, and retroactively filled in by others with less outlandish claims to support it...

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