@jwildeboer I was arguing that

because being able to directly accept a TCP connection is still step one for a lot of use cases,

All the work that went into making the network and devices faster doesn't help all that much; what good is a fast network if no one can connect to each other in the first place?

We can make great "local first" apps, but since everyone is still in "NAT jail", we still need servers. Having a server helps a ton, even if you're trying to build an app that's offline-only most of the time.

For apps that don't need to be able to accept connections; yes the unhosted idea works great. But I care about federation, publishing, etc, I think they are really important and worth designing for.