@f0x Ah thank you, I will look through these. Do you know of any alternatives that offer similar features?

@dumpsterqueer most of their features are exactly the problem, and aren't needed. They centralize the internet, and it gives them a huge capability for control and surveillance

@f0x That makes sense. Honestly the CDN they offer is not something I want or need.

The main features I care about:

- DDOS protection
- Concealing actual IP of the server
- Filtering out requests based on user-agent (ie., hide all my shit from google, facebook etc)

If I can find something that offers those three things I'll happily switch. I'm gonna read these sources first.

@dumpsterqueer I would rather recommend spinning up a (cheap) vps for that purpose, I have a similar setup for pixie.town, with a 3$ Hetzner vps that takes all the traffic, and sends it to my server at home over a wireguard vpn (<3 wireguard), which is also used to proxy the outwards traffic.

Nginx is ran on the vps which could also do the user-agent filtering, and the vps provider almost certainly has adequate ddos protection

@f0x Hmm, but then you have to trust the vps provider right? Doesn't that amount to more or less the same trust you have to put in Cloudflare? Not trying to be argumentative btw, just trying to understand the pros and cons.

The wireguard vpn hop is a nice idea, I like that..

@dumpsterqueer sure, yeah, it could be hosted at trusted rackspace/server coops etc

it's also a lot less centralized and vendor-locked-in, because this setup would work on literally any random vps

@f0x mmm I read some of the sources. I didn't realize Cloudflare decrypts and re-encrypts traffic going through it, so they can analyze it. Holy shit. But now I think about it it's like well yeah, how else would a CDN work?

I'll start looking into moving away from them asap cuz that's a huge privacy issue

@ella personally never did that, but shouldn't be too hard, and done with maps rather than if's from what I see

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