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@bram Like, this is kind of my fundamental issue with that "they didn't have a choice" justification.

It's not that such situations *can't* exist (because they can and do), it's that there should be a very very high bar to accept that a situation actually *was* like that. It shouldn't just be assumed for the whole category of "situations that involve coercion", exactly because most of the time there absolutely are covert options that people *should* have taken.

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