The perpetual conflict between wanting more shared/reused infrastructure for FOSS projects to extract sustainable funding from businesses, and not wanting FOSS to center around business funding because of the perverse incentives it introduces
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@joepie91 what are the perverse incentives?
how about a wikipedia model like "pat what you can" + radical transperent accounting so everyone can see how much was pid by ppl and what it is being spent on?
@serapath Basically: if you are funded by businesses, then you are going to be developing for the needs of businesses, not the needs of people
@joepie91 hmm 
arent you supposed to
1. offer something customers want - serve customers
2. serve the business owners, but if the business strives, retains customers and offers high quality of goods or services, thats when the business will strive and continue to be able to benefit owners too?
now i guess when money printing and big VC and rogue investors come in with large portfolios and their own plans, things start to get distorted, but for small self funded self started businesses?
@serapath What you're describing is the story that everyone tells of how capitalism is "supposed" to work, but in practice it has never worked that way and *will* never work that way - it's simply not how the incentives are aligned.
That whole idea is based on the flawed premise that the interests of the business owner match up with the interests of the customer, and that is almost never actually true.
@joepie91 ...they buy all from us.
we work. we make stuff.
they get access to the money printer to pay our salaries or buy up successful businesses to turn them into larger and larger super companies ...and for decades they never lose, they only grow larger.
other businesses without access to money printing might disappear, because every business has a high burn rate paying all those employees and repairing/replacing their infrastructure, but its not easy to always sell enough successfully...
@joepie91 capitalism since the times of colonialism and slavery ALWAYS started with money made and controlled by the capitalists to pay the rest of us...
we all ppay market, but they get to print as kuch money as needed to go around, pay us to do what they want and shop as mich as they want.
the pagriarchic privilege we dont have access to. this needs to be discussed.
imthe printing happens via loans which never need to be repaid, unless you take a loan and are a peasant. ..then you pay
@joepie91
i agree with you, but i do the reasons for that need to be analyzed.... do we really believe that bezos, musk, trump & co. are just such hyper successful business folks or is there more to it?
whether too big to fail or VC investors or government contracts or subsidies oe loans from private banks.
this is money printing. money printing that expanda the money in the world and causes inflation for the redt of us. ...o ly the selected ones get access to printed money and they buy all