prisons, spicy take to some
Imprisonment is a form of torture, no matter how 'humane' it is on paper, and should be treated as such from an ethical perspective.
And when you argue for imprisoning people as a form of 'justice', you are arguing for torture as a form of 'justice', with all of the implications that that has.
It's just a form of torture that's easy to rationalize if you don't want to confront those implications.
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I understand your point and agree, but it sparked a few questions in my mind:
What does "justice" even mean without the person receiving justice also experiencing some form of pain or discomfort? At what point does that pain intense enough qualify as "torture"? What would "justice" without pain even look like? Is such a thing even possible?
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@malcircuit I'd respond to that with a philosophical counterquestion: why would the primary qualifier for something being "justice" be "experiencing pain or discomfort", rather than "repairing harm and preventing reoccurrence"?
Because that to me sounds more like revenge than like justice. Is the intention of justice to make things right and make society better, or is the intention to "get the last word in", so to say?
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@joepie91 How does one "repair harm and prevent reoccurrence" without some form of punitive measure?
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@malcircuit That is going to depend on the exact circumstances, and is generally a process that requires the input of the victim. Whole books have been written about repairing harm, resolving conflicts, and (social) accountability.
A better question is, why *would* punitive measures repair harm and prevent reoccurrence? As basically all evidence is against this concept, and it often has the opposite outcome.
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@joepie91 hmmmm I see your point
I appreciate your patience and point of view. Thanks