@BobCollins so, to answer earnestly, what people mean when they say that is usually "power structures which form through unchecked greed and hoarding of wealth" but instead they just say capitalism.
@BobCollins and if I may be so bold, *the problem* as I see it is that to some people,
capitalism = commerce
or
capitalism = markets
or
capitalism = unplanned economies
and leftists are usually speaking about the outcomes of unchecked capitalism - literally having a different conversation without considering what the other person understands the word to mean.
@TechConnectify That is definitely a major problem, though it's unfortunately not the *full* problem either. I always make a point of explaining to people that "capitalism" is an ideology rather than an economic system (and therefore different from "markets"), though in more words - and then very often run into people simply not wanting to believe that a) this distinction even exists, or that b) capitalism is ideological in nature, no matter how much evidence you can provide.
This doesn't happen with everyone, and explaining what I mean with 'capitalism' is definitely an improvement over not doing so, but it's unfortunately not a miracle solution either, even if I do agree that it's a *prerequisite*.
@joepie91 @TechConnectify Capitalism only took hold basically by convincing people it's the natural default, so that's the kind of arguments that people bring in. It's not true, but it's what people believe, and people are strongly hammering people down to be and do normal...