@fogti@chaos.social @tfiebig The main objection I've run across is that it implies (and legitimizes) a class division of sorts; the idea that there's an "us", the programmers, and a "them", the users, and they should stay in their lane and be told how to use computers 'correctly'.

The term doesn't *need* to mean that, but I could agree that that's what it has come to imply in common usage in programmer circles, as a term of disdain of sorts.

And personally I feel that a much healthier philosophy is "design your systems so that people don't *need* to learn how they work to use them, but they *could* easily do so if they wanted to", which does go against that class division.

@joepie91 @fogti @tfiebig I've also seen the complaint that the other category of people referred to as "users" tends to deal with substances often considered illegal.

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@viq @fogti@chaos.social @tfiebig Ah yeah, I've seen that one before also, but forgot about it!

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