So this is probably the most important thing I've learned about dealing with marginalized topics: talk *with* marginalized folks, don't talk *over* them.

If you're cis, don't "debate" with another cis person about trans legislation. If you're white, don't "debate" with another white person about whether Black folks experience racism.

Instead, learn from marginalized folks themselves. They're living and breathing creatures, not abstract debate topics.

But don't demand that they educate *you, personally* either (unless you're paying them for it). Start by reading things that have already been written from a marginalized perspective, it's not exactly hard to find with your search engine of choice.

(And if this makes you go "wait, but what's wrong with debating over people, isn't that just how political debate and podcasts work?": you've just discovered why those things are harmful)