@thufie I'd say it's still generally a better choice than windows or android devices if something by a megacorp is necessary, like in the case of my grandparents who had a hard enough time with a mac and iphones, which have probably the best UX for them

But the real issue is the techbros who keep touting apple as this weird privacy oasis, which it very much is not, and subsequently those who hear those techbros and get a false belief of privacy about apple