Analytics are the digital version of the colonialist legacy over obsessing over cataloging absolutely everything to attempt to find patterns in what is essentially entropy. "Finding" patterns (so not proving causation, but just masturbating over trends) just leads to really crappy user experiences. It depends on what you measure for too, the Europeans had an obsession with cranium sizes, so they found trends in that...
I think it is clear where this goes, nonsense.
You don't need analytics, just traffic logs.
@thufie Web page analytics are built by and for sociopaths.
Here's an escapee from the cult of advertising going into disgusting detail about how the entire thing revolves around grifters bullshitting each other to determine which one gets paid when you buy something, and how analytics (and IRL surveillance capitalism) plays into that: https://lockwood.dev/advertising/2019/06/07/adtech-sucks.html
@flussence I forgot about that blog post, it is amazing. Thanks for sending!
@flussence Yet virtually all of us merrily have supported and accepted the idea of the WWW being a large store for "free-as-in-free-beer" content, leaving ad-based refunding apparently the last and only business model that somehow works. The very moment we start paying for web resources we use and start demanding and supporting web sites offering such models, this problem will start to go away.
@thufie Yes. The community is likely to be able to hold up the #fediverse. But a lot of the content out here - posted news pages links, YouTube videos, professionally recorded music, ... - possibly won't exist in an ad-free "pro-bono" kind of way. Would be great if so, but at the moment I don't see that. 😐
@z428 @flussence the only reason the proprietary platforms exist right now is because they keep borrowing money, they don't profit. These aren't profitable services, by their nature they are communal. So I see it the exact opposite way. If tech giants weren't "too big to fail" centralized stuff would be impossible at current scale.
@thufie I'm unsure here. I think a lot of "proprietary" platforms (in example online newspapers, magazines, ...) exist because they are fed by people (journalists, writers, photographers, ...) that do a good job on what they do but can't afford to do so for free so they need *some* kind of refunding after all.
@dtluna Interesting kind of reasoning and dealing with arguments. But that's okay to me. Bunch of very good friends of mine are photographers and ever since trying to somehow get hold of their pictures freely, in some cases even commercially, being copied and spread throughout the 'net, fediverse included unfortunately. But why deal with such things if we might as well ignore them.
@z428 @flussence I think you underestimate the delay that credit arrangements have introduced into the market economy in terms of allowing bubbles to float for so long without popping. The companies providing these services rely on that delay to become a monopoly, because they can only make it profitable as a monopoly. The rest are probably just doomed to operate at a loss forever.
@thufie Yes, that's *exactly* my point: Ads and tracking are just a symptom of a much larger problem, and I see much time and effort spent on fighting that symptom rather than fixing that bigger problem. And I am afraid that fixing this symptom won't change much about who wins and who loses in the current setup - but just make life a bit more difficult for people on the losing end of things. 😕
@hexmasteen While I generally agree, this seem to oversimplify the actual problems of "platform economy" especially in terms of who is earning money by spying on users (large platform operators) vs. who loses in such an environment (like a plethora of small vendors which essentially had little chance but signing up for Amazon marketplace with the free internet more and more shrinking ... 😑).
@thufie A server operator possibly will, too, as soon as providing the service comes with certain expectations in terms of availability and uptime. Would you want to fix a crashed #fediverse instance at December 31, 23:59, knowing your users want to send new years cheers to their loved ones a moment later...? 😉
@z428 I shouldn't have to ask to be untagged from this. Typical techbro bullshit
@thufie collect just enough analytics to give meaningful alerts when shit’s broken
@riking those are called logs
@thufie feeding logs into a sms bot or pagerduty is not my idea of a good time
@riking that if you are operating at scale and need that kind of feedback are there not ways which don't involve entire analytics suites?
@thufie oh right i’m talking server side “”analytics”” not client side analytics products
@riking ahhh, I see
pixie.town is one server in the network